RE: What one thing would disprove Christianity to you?
January 8, 2013 at 9:18 pm
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2013 at 9:21 pm by Tea Earl Grey Hot.)
(January 8, 2013 at 8:32 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(January 8, 2013 at 7:30 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Angels = non-empirical. Interstellar spaceship = empirical. Why? It's a pretty simple question.
Why?! lol
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Dude, you presumed something we commonly define as empirical, only purely imaginary. OF COURSE what we are talking about from biblical reference is not imaginary. Loop to Ryft 's answer once more.
How did "imaginary" get into all of this? I never said angels et al are imaginary. Did I ever equate "non-empirical" with imaginary? "Non-empirical" means that the nature of the object in question cannot be shown to exist through any empirical means such as observation and physical evidence because these things are not a part of the natural world. They are a part of some non-physical world beyond our reach.
Maybe there is such a world and maybe angels et al are in said non physical world but why suppose so? Why is it not legitimate for me to claim that my interstellar spaceship is a "non-empirical" object that cannot be tested while it is legitimate for you to claim that angels et al are? What's the difference? Or are you content to continue with your asserstion?
Quote:(January 8, 2013 at 7:30 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: What then was all your talk about what is commonly accepted? Why did you reference a dictionary? What did I miss?
I'm losing patience with you now. The dictionary reference floored your accusation of fallacy. That there is no problem referring to common definitions in speech that do not then need empirical evidence to be made in that way. Of course holding a Christian world view where such concepts form ones reality don't fit with your declared world view. As Ryft is starting to explain this to you, I do not wish to confuse you further with my take. Ryft is far better at explaining himself than I am. I just wish you'd give him the opportunity to continue.
You never linked to a dictionary definition. What word would I look up?
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).