Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge

[Brian37]

On my word I could say the same thing with the oppsite result. If you make a statement it is up to you to defend it when challanged. You sir, have been challenged. Otherwise know your statement has been rightfully dismissed.

You have a valid point sir. Let's kick the dead horse then, shall we?

Ephesians

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The language and style are different. Ephesians contains 40 new words, e.g. 1:3 "heavenly places"; "family, or fatherhood" (3:15). 1:19 has four different words for "power"; Eph & Col use a different word for "reconcile" from Paul's word (Col 1:20, 22; Eph 2:16). And they both use many very long sentences, e.g. 1:3-14; 1:15-23; 3:1-7; 4:11-16; 6:14-20. Also Col 1:9-20.
Eph copies Col at many places. Eph has 155 verses, 73 of which are copied from Col: e.g. Eph 4:1-2 = Col 3:12-13. Eph 5:19-2 = Col 3:16-17, Eph 6:21-22 = Col 4:7-8.
Eph takes many key ideas from Col. Wisdom, mystery. The word of truth. Gospel of salvation. Saints of God.
Eph also refers to most of the other letters of Paul. In many ways it seems like a summary of Paul's ideas, written by a disciple of his, and brought up to date for the Church of his own time.
Metaphors, or illustrations in Paul are turned into actual objective realities in Eph (and sometimes in Col also). E.g. faith, gospel, word of God, reconciliation, salvation, our resurrection and glorification, the Church as the Body of Christ, Minister, Saints of God.
Eph shows that the Church is becoming an advanced and powerful universal institution (rather like the Church today). In Paul's time there was no universal Church in that sense, but only informal gatherings of individual believing communities.
Eph contains no mention of charismatic gifts. It looks as if they have disappeared from the church, to be replaced by ordained ministers.
Eph shows Jesus acting on his own account and by his own authority. In Paul's letters, Jesus always acts on God's behalf and with God's authority.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_...d_epistles

This is the sort of stuff we're dealing with. I'm not going to go through every last detail because the evidence is too much for me to be passing it all on.

Why do you insist on hiding your tactic of circular reasoning? Are you hoping we wont notice?

Unlike you, I am not going to hide my tactic because I am not afraid of my tactic being debunked.

See if you can spot the pattern.

"The Koran says so therefore Allah is the one true god"
"The Torah and Talmud say so Yahweh is the one true god"
"Hindus say so therefor Vishnu is real"

It's called circular reasoning. You won't buy it from other people with different pet deities, so don't expect us to swallow your circular reasoning by quoting the bible to prove the bible.

You quoted the bible. So what. People of different religions also quote their books and traditions as proof their gods exist, the ones you rightfully reject. We merely reject one more deity than you do. Try understanding that and you will understand why circular reasoning does not work.

Ooops, sorry. Just realized what I did. Ok, theists, my argument still stands about circular reasoning.

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Dirich if you don't want others debunking the bible then don't argue it yourself. But our argument is still that everyone argues for their god/s, and you are merely one of many. No one has a patent for any deity claim and no one will win a Nobel Prize in god of the gaps. You wont, Muslims wont, Hindu's wont, Jews wont.......ect ect ect ect.