RE: Divine Revelation
January 17, 2013 at 1:29 pm
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2013 at 1:50 pm by Drich.)
(January 17, 2013 at 11:34 am)FallentoReason Wrote: I simply want to know in what way is God giving you revelations.
Let's think of your brain as a closed system where thoughts about what to eat, what to do, how you're feeling, memories etc basically anything you could do with your brain is happening because of the internal chemicals and what not. Now, a revelation by definition is an external being passing down to you some sort of message. I want to know how it penetrates your closed system thus making it possible for you to obtain the knowledge and retain it in your brain.
If no explanation can be given, then I have no choice but to conclude that e.g. voices in your head are due to your closed system i.e. they're coming from your own brain i.e. you're hallucinating/delusional.
EDIT: now, you might see what the problem is; your faith-based claim should be producing empirical evidence that would show your closed system is gaining information from somewhere else. Paradox my friend.
Asked and answered.
Dreams/visions, He sent a Messenger, understanding of scripture before it is confirmed through study. (The External study and confirmation is what makes it a revelation) He opens doors like having a complete Stranger (Jewish man) hand me 25k and tell me he was lead to start me out in business.
Again by defination all revelations.
(January 17, 2013 at 11:36 am)pocaracas Wrote: Sorry about that.... I must have mixed up your chronology.The dream was not the catalist for my A/S/K. The Dream was the reason I wanted to seek God as the bible described Him and not my or the religious/christian understanding of Him. Prior to the dream I sought out many different expressions of God. i was seeking 'proof' but did not have direction. The dream gave me direction.
But then, a glaring question pops up.... If you were already ASKing for it, it was something you wanted.... and your subconscious just supplied the dream, no?
The dream itself I do not believe came from me as it revealed a Hell I could not have imagined, and have verified by a text that was unknown to me at the time. Again My Idea of Hell was based on Dante's Infrno, which is nothing like what I experienced.
My best 'christian effort' at the time would have been a bastard version of Catholisim (as is most of what I read here.) Nothing wrong with that if that is what you know, unless you do not or can not change when proven to be wrong by the scripture.
Quote:You claim it had details of which you weren't aware, but maybe it was based on things you'd once heard, but forgot, or things you read recently, but paid no matter... who knows?Who knows indeed. For me it was enough. Again God gives us Exactly what we need. This is what I needed to kick start my faith. Hopfully if you seek, you will not have to visit the gates of Hell lest you have rubber sheets on your bed.
Quote:But you were ASKing. You were expecting something divine... and that's how you interpreted it.I was asking for the truth. Not a sign. Even with my Hell experience I did not ask to go there. I simply thought how bad could it be, because I thought as most of you. That i am basically a 'good person.' and was probably detined for purgatory because God never did any magic tricks for me to proove Himself to me. If their was no proof, then how could He expect me to believe? After all even Gave Thomas proof, why couldn't He give it to me?
The answer to that is the bible, more over Christ himself Tells us their is proof to be had to all who ASk, Seek and Knock. And if we did not have it was because we did not A/S/K
Quote:The easiest person to convince is the one that's already convinced.Actually that is untrue. The HARDEST Person to Save is one who thinks he is already saved. If I was a good person in my mind then why did I need God? More over if I thought my luke warm expression of christianity was good enough because the TV preacher said it was if I said this prayer and sent him the 20 dollars he asked for, then why is their a need to A/S/K for something that will upset my routine?
Chirst found this to be true as well in speaking to the Pharasees, as did the Apstoles, which is why they had to reach out to the Gentiles as well. People do not like to question their foundational beliefs.