Divine Revelation

[Drich]

Your entire argument is "no, they aren't a real Christian! they didn't really submit to God!".

No "My arguement" stems from one single truth. In order to become a Christian as Christ defines in scripture, one must submit and follow (to the best of his ablity) what Christ outlines in His recount of our greatest commands, which would then lead one automatically to what He outlines in Luke 11.

Like I said, the probability that every single ex-Christian on this earth didn't submit to the magical sky daddy and his magical dead Jew son completely is so ridiculously low that any rational person would not even think of considering it reality. Then again, you've proved to be a very irrational person.

If one has never submitted is he to be considered a 'christian' simply because awarded himself the title? Christ tells us thier will be many on that last day the have awarded themselves the title of 'christian.' Which He will turn His back on stating that He never knew them.

And, you are persumptious. I have been answering the same questions Atheist Ask over and over for nearly 8 years. If one after all of that time speaking on the same subjects does not have some sort of idea as to the nature of the person asking the question by the way he asks the question and frames his follow ups, then he does not need to be doing this.

Claiming that you know the minds of every person you talk to not to mention the minds of people you haven't even met is arrogant.

I never claimed this. Read what i wrote again. I simply said "I have a good idea, of all the minds I speak with." And again the reason for that is as stated above. Nothing more.

I have Christian friends who don't think this way at all. And where is the line?

Christ Draws the line you are looking for in very beginning of Luke 11 starting with verse 1 forward.

My grandma is in the hospital right now. Would praying that she would be fine be a desire?

It considered a petition. Petioning God is not a Sin of any kind. We are encouraged to petition God for the well being of our loved ones in latter parts of scripture. That said it is not a prayer. Prayer or rather the only outline we have of a Christian prayer, is about changing our wants and desire to match that of God. In that His kingdom come His will be done here on earth (in our lives) as it is in Heaven.

That sounds pleasant.

It depends on how callous your heart has become. Mine was appearently like Abrams tank armor...

I haven't ever wasted my time doing that, which is why I didn't use myself as an example.

Which subsequently is the ONLY one you can really speak on.