Divine Revelation

[Surtr]

Their is a difference between Complete submission and 'trying hard enough' to chirstian you way into spiritual maturity.

Your entire argument is "no, they aren't a real Christian! they didn't really submit to God!". Like I said, the probability that every single ex-Christian on this earth didn't submit to the magical sky daddy and his magical dead Jew son completely is so ridiculously low that any rational person would not even think of considering it reality. Then again, you've proved to be a very irrational person.

And, you are persumptious. I have been answering the same questions Atheist Ask over and over for nearly 8 years. If one after all of that time speaking on the same subjects does not have some sort of idea as to the nature of the person asking the question by the way he asks the question and frames his follow ups, then he does not need to be doing this.

Claiming that you know the minds of every person you talk to not to mention the minds of people you haven't even met is arrogant.

Because, How have we been taught to pray? By asking for things, and with the hopes of changing God's will to suit our own desires. For God to move Heaven and earth to make our lives easier or better in some perceived way.

I have Christian friends who don't think this way at all. And where is the line? My grandma is in the hospital right now. Would praying that she would be fine be a desire?

To bend us, to break us, to mold and Make us into who He wants us to be.

That sounds pleasant.

In your "Trying" how many times did you "Knock" on that door?

I haven't ever wasted my time doing that, which is why I didn't use myself as an example.

[Drich]

Your entire argument is "no, they aren't a real Christian! they didn't really submit to God!".

No "My arguement" stems from one single truth. In order to become a Christian as Christ defines in scripture, one must submit and follow (to the best of his ablity) what Christ outlines in His recount of our greatest commands, which would then lead one automatically to what He outlines in Luke 11.

Like I said, the probability that every single ex-Christian on this earth didn't submit to the magical sky daddy and his magical dead Jew son completely is so ridiculously low that any rational person would not even think of considering it reality. Then again, you've proved to be a very irrational person.

If one has never submitted is he to be considered a 'christian' simply because awarded himself the title? Christ tells us thier will be many on that last day the have awarded themselves the title of 'christian.' Which He will turn His back on stating that He never knew them.

And, you are persumptious. I have been answering the same questions Atheist Ask over and over for nearly 8 years. If one after all of that time speaking on the same subjects does not have some sort of idea as to the nature of the person asking the question by the way he asks the question and frames his follow ups, then he does not need to be doing this.

Claiming that you know the minds of every person you talk to not to mention the minds of people you haven't even met is arrogant.

I never claimed this. Read what i wrote again. I simply said "I have a good idea, of all the minds I speak with." And again the reason for that is as stated above. Nothing more.

I have Christian friends who don't think this way at all. And where is the line?

Christ Draws the line you are looking for in very beginning of Luke 11 starting with verse 1 forward.

My grandma is in the hospital right now. Would praying that she would be fine be a desire?

It considered a petition. Petioning God is not a Sin of any kind. We are encouraged to petition God for the well being of our loved ones in latter parts of scripture. That said it is not a prayer. Prayer or rather the only outline we have of a Christian prayer, is about changing our wants and desire to match that of God. In that His kingdom come His will be done here on earth (in our lives) as it is in Heaven.

That sounds pleasant.

It depends on how callous your heart has become. Mine was appearently like Abrams tank armor...

I haven't ever wasted my time doing that, which is why I didn't use myself as an example.

Which subsequently is the ONLY one you can really speak on.

[KichigaiNeko]

I am thinking that this "Divine Revelation" is nothing more than a mental health issue that needs addressing ...nothing divine about it ...... you are sick, you need help.

[Surtr]

No "My arguement" stems from one single truth. In order to become a Christian as Christ defines in scripture, one must submit and follow (to the best of his ablity) what Christ outlines in His recount of our greatest commands, which would then lead one automatically to what He outlines in Luke 11.

No. Your entire argument is that anybody who is not a Christian never fully submitted to Christ, and you've been unable to prove that. Nor will you ever be able to.

If one has never submitted is he to be considered a 'christian' simply because awarded himself the title? Christ tells us thier will be many on that last day the have awarded themselves the title of 'christian.' Which He will turn His back on stating that He never knew them.

Like I just said...

I never claimed this. Read what i wrote again. I simply said "I have a good idea, of all the minds I speak with." And again the reason for that is as stated above. Nothing more.

I asked you how you knew the minds of every person and you responded that because you thought you knew the minds of a few you knew the minds of all.

Prayer or rather the only outline we have of a Christian prayer, is about changing our wants and desire to match that of God. In that His kingdom come His will be done here on earth (in our lives) as it is in Heaven.

So God wants my grandma to die?

Which subsequently is the ONLY one you can really speak on.

"I have a good idea, of all the minds I speak with."

[FallentoReason]

Saying "oh, you were never a Christian because you're an atheist now" is a simple defence mechanism that reassures the believer that they can't possibly ever go through deconversion, because obviously they are the True Christian™.

Drich is just in denial that sincere people actually let go of that ancient book once they were enlightened through the search for truth (which sometimes is to try and back up Christianity).

[Drich]

No. Your entire argument is that anybody who is not a Christian never fully submitted to Christ, and you've been unable to prove that. Nor will you ever be able to.

I was going to state the obvious... But if you simply read what you wrote long enough I think it will hit you.

I never claimed this. Read what i wrote again. I simply said "I have a good idea, of all the minds I speak with." And again the reason for that is as stated above. Nothing more.

I asked you how you knew the minds of every person and you responded that because you thought you knew the minds of a few you knew the minds of all.

Noope read it again. I said I knew the minds of those who i spoke with.

Prayer or rather the only outline we have of a Christian prayer, is about changing our wants and desire to match that of God. In that His kingdom come His will be done here on earth (in our lives) as it is in Heaven.

So God wants my grandma to die?

Yes, He wants all of us to die. More importantly He wants you to understand what it is to pray to Him verses making wishes.

[Ryantology]

More importantly He wants you to understand what it is to pray to Him verses making wishes.

That's actually close to true. 'He' wants you to understand that prayer is the act of uselessly speaking to one's self.

[Drich]

Saying "oh, you were never a Christian because you're an atheist now" is a simple defence mechanism that reassures the believer that they can't possibly ever go through deconversion, because obviously they are the True Christian™.

Drich is just in denial that sincere people actually let go of that ancient book once they were enlightened through the search for truth (which sometimes is to try and back up Christianity).

Being saved Is a statement made from a point in time when one is out of danger. While one is in this life He/she can not ever truly make this claim unless he/she is in an unbreakable relationship with God.

If one breaks said relationship then it places that person outside the realm of savation. Meaning that person was never 'saved.' That said it does not mean that person was never a christian. Unfortunatly calling yourself christian does not mean anything to Christ. Because He tells us on the day those who were 'saved' will be saved He will turn to the 'christians' who were never saved, (despite all the good things they did) and tell them He never knew them. If Christian's can be judged as never truly giving themselves over to God, then how is it you believe their are Atheist who truly given themselves to God?

Again as witnessed by all the good deeds done by these name sake christians only the desire to be a christian weighs little on the Judgement Christ makes.

[Brian37]

Yes, He wants all of us to die. More importantly He wants you to understand what it is to pray to Him verses making wishes.

Read what you typed.

Your god is a selfish narcissist(as a written literary character) who only gives a shit about himself.

Now here is the reality you do not want to face. We die, not as a result of Ra, or Apollo or Alllah, or Vishnu or Jesus. We die because nature and all living things are finite. No magic or invisible friends needed to explain reality.

But once you insert this comic book super hero in it makes no sense. And not only does it make no sense, it makes humans toys, lab rats, pawns for no other reason than to suck up to this puppet master. It is not only a broken concept, it is an immoral concept and sick.

Please tell me the Sandy Hook kids would pray to be butchered like Swiss cheese just so they could hang out with God. Please explain to all of us what kind of joy the parents are feeling right now knowing it took butchering their kids just so God could have more friends.

God is all about "ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME". Sick and selfish. The reason such superstitions persist is because it is a reflection of our own selfish nature.

Victoria Soto was a REAL hero, she did what your fictional being could not do. She didn't save everyone, but she saved many and did so with her life. She took action while your deadbeat fictional friend did nothing.

[Zen Badger]

Saying "oh, you were never a Christian because you're an atheist now" is a simple defence mechanism that reassures the believer that they can't possibly ever go through deconversion, because obviously they are the True Christian™.

Drich is just in denial that sincere people actually let go of that ancient book once they were enlightened through the search for truth (which sometimes is to try and back up Christianity).

Being saved Is a statement made from a point in time when one is out of danger. While one is in this life He/she can not ever truly make this claim unless he/she is in an unbreakable relationship with God.

If one breaks said relationship then it places that person outside the realm of savation. Meaning that person was never 'saved.' That said it does not mean that person was never a christian. Unfortunatly calling yourself christian does not mean anything to Christ. Because He tells us on the day those who were 'saved' will be saved He will turn to the 'christians' who were never saved, (despite all the good things they did) and tell them He never knew them. If Christian's can be judged as never truly giving themselves over to God, then how is it you believe their are Atheist who truly given themselves to God?

Again as witnessed by all the good deeds done by these name sake christians only the desire to be a christian weighs little on the Judgement Christ makes.

Why is the creator of an universe vast beyond our wildest imaginings so desperate for our worship?