RE: What things are bad in Islam?
January 20, 2013 at 7:52 pm
(This post was last modified: January 20, 2013 at 7:57 pm by ThatMuslimGuy.)
(January 20, 2013 at 7:37 pm)apophenia Wrote:(January 20, 2013 at 5:29 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote: How is it a bare assumption when the scholar who studied at the best Arabic and Islamic university in the world and who graduated in Arabic explains the word used in the Qur'an. If your not gonna accept someone who knows Arabic fluently i might as well stop here.
It's a bare assertion because the "scholar" in question, while acknowledging multiple meanings for the word, claims it means X instead of Y without giving any reason for the preference. That makes it a bare assertion, and any supposed credentials regarding his schooling and his knowledge of Arabic are irrelevant to the point. If you can't hack it, perhaps you should leave. I'm not overly impressed by the bare assertions of fellow kool-aid drinkers.
Quote:The correct translation of the word ""wali"" is not "friend" but it is someone who is very close and intimate. It is also used to mean "guardian, protector, patron, lord and master" ... In the Qur'an this word is used for God ... The same word is also sometimes used in the Qur'an for human beings, such as [And whosoever is killed unjustly, We have granted his next kin ["wali"] the authority (to seek judgement or punishment in this case)… (Al-‘Isra' 17 :33)(emphasis added)
(There is an additional difficulty. Imam Ibn Kathir notes that some scholars suggest that the sura was revealed after the battle of Uhad as a response to some Muslims suggesting they seek shelter among the Jews. Beyond the problem of inferring God's intent, from what I understand, the Quran isn't arranged in chronological order and wasn't collected together until long after its original dissemination, so it's questionable the the "scholars" to which the Imam refers were actually basing this on anything concrete; feel free to demonstrate otherwise.)
Ok then. In my opinion i trust someone who's fluent in Arabic and studied Islam for many years in one of the best University for Arabic and Islam. Doesn't he provide examples? He shows it means "guardian, protector, patron, lord and master" then gives example of how it is used for god and then how it is used for humans. "The same word is also sometimes used in the Qur'an for human beings, such as [And whosoever is killed unjustly, We have granted his next kin ["wali"] the authority (to seek judgement or punishment in this case)… (Al-‘Isra' 17 :33)"
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The Qur'an isn't arranged in chronological order. Some verses were revealed to deal with the problems or situations at the time. The Tafsir explained some scholars say it was in response to an event. In Islam everything has to be based on Proof. The proof for the scholars viewpoint's would be from the Hadiths and the Sira material on the prophet.
Can you rewrite your problem as i don't really get it. My apologies.
I'm not sure if you knew but the Tafsir isnt recent. It is a very old Tafsir by a great Scholar on Islam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Kathir
(January 20, 2013 at 7:47 pm)Kane Wrote:(January 19, 2013 at 10:32 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote: Hey. I don't know if anyone really cares but here i go.
I'm always open to challenging Islam and the Qur'an. So i was wondering what peoples viewpoints on Islam are. Like what things do you see as bad. What teachings are bad or what rulings in the shariah are bad etc. Anything posted must have proofs from the Qur'an and Authentic Hadith's.
You're on
first things first
where are you from ?? and how old are you ?
I am from the United Kingdom. I am 17 years old. How about you?
