RE: A Miracle!!
October 26, 2009 at 7:35 pm
(This post was last modified: October 26, 2009 at 7:37 pm by theVOID.)
(October 26, 2009 at 6:57 pm)solarwave Wrote:(October 26, 2009 at 11:42 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: It's not bias, it's true. Hallucination there is evidence of the existence of, other explanations there is evidence of the existence/possibility of too. So yes, of course hallucination is more likely. We at least have evidence that hallucination happens, so it's of course more likely to be evidence of that than of "God" which - as far as I know - there's no evidence of whatsoever.
Well quantum theory or relativity is wierd so why not play the hallucination card and say its more likely that every scientist is hallucinating that those theories are true. So what if they claim to have evidence, its obvious been made, maybe to make them look clever, maybe they see evidence that isn't really there, maybe they left some bits out that are important. Its so easy to play the hallucination or lying card that it barely seems right to do so. I don't just mean to you but to me as well. If you start off thinking God is unlikely then hallucination is a good option, but thats of course starting with a bias.
Does your PC work, or are you imagining that? What about PET scans?, were the scientists imagining both the anti-matter that found the tumor and the tumor they subsequently removed? Does your microwave heat up your food or are you imagining that too?
All these things are possible because Quantum Mechanics is true, if it wasn't... none of your electronic devices would work. Say goodbye to circuit boards and everything that requires them. Say goodbye to Xrays, Microwaves, PET Scans and many, many other things would simply not work.
Quote:Quote:Evidence is enough. Of course - it's paramount. The problem is 1. It isn't evidence. 2. Other alternatives are more likely. 3. If I can't think of any evidence that I will accept, that doesn't mean I'll accept without evidence. I'm not saying God is impossible, certainly not - I'm an agnostic atheist - but I am not going to believe without evidence regardless of if I can think of any or not.
I would be tempted to bet money if I got some sort of doctors papers on her before and after they would be brushed under the carpet by many here. Even if I got a number of people with changed lives, healed bodies, stories of God working in their lifes, it would be pretty much ignored.
I dont want you or anyone else to believe because of what I say (it will never happen) all I want is to say, maybe, just maybe there could be something to this God stuff, so you would look into it (ie: a good church) yourself. I dunno maybe thats asking alot ;P
You would need more than stories - if you are really to believe that anecdotal evidence is sufficient then why aren't you also a Muslim and a Buddhist? They have plenty of anecdotal evidence too! What about people who have felt better after having their body thetans removed? You should probably become a scientologist too... after all, there is so much anecdotal evidence! Oh, what about all the people who hav e seen Ghosts? Or talked to the dead? What about Alien investigations? We better believe all of it because the anecdotal evidence is just too fucking impressive right?
What you would need to do is set up double-blind trials - Some people are prayed for and given a placebo and some people are only given a placebo and told that they are being prayed for when they are in fact not. If there is a significant positive correlation between prayer and healing then it would be extremely easy to determine... Too bad it doesn't work; these studies have already been done!
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