Britain leaving the EU

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Actually we gave them many of our resources. We don't actually have any say on who we trade with. Did you know we have to leave the room and let Brussels arrange who we trade with? Look at our economy, it's collapsing. Look at Spain and Greece, unemployment is enormous. We have no control. Another 29 million foreigners are now able to walk in.
How can things be any worse for us if we left?

I dont really understand what you mean with resources.

Do you mean natural, financial or other resources?

Poland is about to privatise massive new found gasfields in the west of it`s country whilest it`s low taxrates have created a boom in the opening of new buisnesses in the past 10-5 years, France has completly nationalised it`s energy sector since the 60s aswell as it is a known fact that 2 thirds of the french workforce work for the state and it has ignored every single suggestion by the economists and other nations to open that sector to the privat market, Germany has completly privatised it`s energy and financial sector and has partialy privatised it`s public transportation and healthcare sector, and Austria is about to nationalise it`s natural water supplies and make the access to clean drinking water a constitutional right.
So from my obseration: the Eu does not have the capacities and instruments to get involved into a nations handling of it`s economical and natural resources.

Financialy? Well every EU member has to pay a fee into a central European cashpot (European central Bank) these funds are then used to finance European interests and are invested into buisnesses and inferstructure in the poorest regions of the EU, which helped Poland boom, in the case of Germany is mostly the east, in the case of Italy the south, in the Case of the UK Scotland and the north of England and in the case of Rumania and Bulgaria various regions.
This also creates rather paradox situations, since the poorest region of France is French Guinea in South America, which receives EU cash in form of investments, dispite the fact that it is one of the richest regions in South America.
Investment are and will be going to Portugal and Spain aswell probably.
And due to the recent financial crisis the central bank gives loans to Greece and stands as a international guaranter for greece`s financial stability.

Norway was smart enough not to give away its resources to the EU.

Bad example.

Norway follows every single bit of EU legislation created in the EU parlament despite not being a member. It is also part of the trade treaty, meaning that it will probably join in in a few years.

That's dictatorship. The government is supposed to be the voice of the people, not it's masters. This isn't the soviet union. Obviously the people knew best, we never should of joined the EU.

People weren`t given the vote on the abolishment of the death penalty, equal rights for women and the decriminalisation of homosexuality in the 20`s to the 60`s in all countries throughout Europe, although it was well known that public opinion was against such messures, up to 60 percent in Germany and even more in France and the UK. Read that in a study on the limitations of total democracy.
It also gives the example that Swizerland was the last country to give equal rights to women, the last country to decriminalise homosexuality and the last country to abolish the death penalty in 1989 in Europe (Although technicaly speaking I left out all eastern European countries which still had the death penalty after the east block fell appart)
Swizerland also forced women to have an abortion and be steralised who would have had a child out of wedlock up until the 1970s.
Ironicaly, these inhumane things wouldnt have been legal there for such a long time if their democracy was less direct and if they would have joined the EU. But instead they prefer to launder the mobs money and support organised crime in Europe.

So, were gay rights made legal, women given equal rights and the death penalty abolished in countries accross Europe against populat support because these countries were dictatorships?

At least UKIP has a back bone. If the people ask for a referendum, for the sake of democracy, you're supposed to give such a referendum. It's called freedom, democracy. For the government to say no, we'll do this and you must obey, that's a dictatorship.

I dont know much about Ukip, but when it comes to elections I have a moral priciple to follow for myself.
Meaning that I put social values above economic messures and other promisses.

Meaning, I dont vote for parties which have homophobic, racist, antisemetic, fashist, nationalistic, religious or sexist programs in their party book.
And if I cant vote in the country where these parties are on the ballot, I will object and protest them.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/27/uki...ht-people/

Oh dear.

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I'd vote to leave the EU, mainly because of the reasons Ace has already stated. I have no fundamental objections to the EU in general, but it should operate more like the United Nations than what it is now (which is basically one big European government).

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Oh yeah, and the idea that nobody would trade with us if we were out of the EU is quite frankly ridiculous.

I didn`t say "no one" would trrade with you. (but you seem to enjoy to disingeniusly twisting words to make people look as if they said something they didn`t).

I simply stated that 53% of your exports go to the rest of Europe because of the European free trade treaty which forbbids the taxation and tolls on products traded by European countries with European countries.

If you leave, that treaty no longer effects you. Meaning that taxes and tolls would imideatly fall on all products from the UK imported into EU countries. Then a new trade treaty would have to be negotiated by your goverment - not with the EU - but with every single member state of the EU to which your country would plan to export, this would be a enormous diplomatic effort (after destroying years of previous diplomatic work) which isn`t made easier by the fact that you would want to trade with exactly the same set of countries who`s treaties on free trade you had just previously rejected.
Thus foreign companies in your country, such as Toyota will most likely move it`s production to a EU country.
There is a reason why regions within Europe which want independence want to enter as a EU member nation (Scotland, Basklands, Flandern, Catalonia), it is because of the free trade agreements that union has to offer.

Sure non EU nations will still trade with you and leaving the EU will not impact that significantly. But since 53% of the UK`s exports go to EU countries, that part of the UK`s economy will have a enrmous disadvantage towards those who produce the same products within the EU, or outside the EU and have already existing trade treaties with the European nations.

Meaning that it would never in any way benifit your economy.
It would simply stay the same in case the entire union would collapse.

Now, this was a very detailed explaination even a 15 year old would understand. And "this is rediculous" doesnt provide any facts which would contradict that, neighter would it magicaly call trade treaties with every single EU nation into existance nore will it find new customers for the 53% of your exports which would fall away since competition would have a benefit to sell it`s products through the already existing treaties.