RE: Britain leaving the EU
January 30, 2013 at 11:20 am
(This post was last modified: January 30, 2013 at 11:41 am by Something completely different.)
(January 30, 2013 at 10:44 am)Ace Otana Wrote: Both. For example we've given around 70% of our fish market to the EU.
Are you talking about the EU regulations on overfishing?
These were regulations to preserve nature and aggainst polution and not economic, well.... actualy they limited the fishing economy because it forbid them to polute and overfish.
The same regulations also prohibited France from dumping nuclear waste between the coasts bordering your countries.
Or are you talking about something else?
Would be funny to see the French leaving the EU simply so they can dump nuclear waste of your coasts in you fishin eras again
I guess they would even do it if they could.
And it is a nice example of how it would harm your economy, because if one goes to a German supermarket, one has the choice between Scotish, Norwegian and Swedish Salmon.
When Britain has no treaty, the taxes will rise on the product making it more expensive and it will disapear.
Quote:Sounds nice, however the reality of the situation is much different. Economic collapse is what's happening. Do I have to drag you through a few towns and cities to see it for yourself?
Can you tell me the benefit of adding 29 million foreigners to a country that already has huge unemployment levels? Can you tell me the benefit of this country no longer trading largely to the commonwealth? Can you tell me the benefit of giving resources to the EU?
It doesnt only sound nice, it is reality. A nation determines it`s economic path by itself and no other country is allowed to interfere as long as the treaty conditions on no taxes for European exports and imports are broken.
This is why greece wrecked itself and why Spain and Portugal partialy wrecked themselves (the biggest amount of the wrecking done to the Spanish and Portugese economy was done by the wonderfull, happy, shinny and sparkly world of the free market).
Maybe because the commonwealth itself is starting to evolve and get it`s own market, Indias economy is growing, and the political stability of southern Africa has insured a recent surge of economic groath, aswell as Canadas economy has been growing.
And a country with a economy getting larger, naturaly exports more than it imports.
But in the end I cant resist to say, the commonwealth is not the EU`s buisness, it is yours, since you are it`s only European member since Ireland left.
And like it or not, Britain might have been the economical leading nation within the commonwealth, but it is losing that significance to developing countries like India.
Quote:Another bailout? Can the other EU countries afford this? In this economic climate?
I was not talking about a bailout, investments into poor regions by the Eu usualy mean investments into inferstructure and loans to buisnesses.
Another bailout? I dont know. I hope not dough, I hope Portugal and Spain will have the power to get out of that mess by themselves.
Why are you so concerened anyway?
The Lion share of the Bailout money is given by Germany, Netherlands, Finland and France.
The Uk hardly contributed anythin to that, they only contribute to the funds given to poor regions within the EU.
Quote:Then it's news to me. And farewell to their economy if what you're saying is true.
You dont seem to not get it, Norway handles it`s economy itself.
Eu legislation doesn`t determine how a country has to run it`s economy, it only abolishes taxes on inter european comerce.
Norway by the way is rich because it nationalised it`s oil reserves and unlike Saudi arabia didn`t build useless palaces but a perfect inferstructure and social and educational system.
Quote:You're talking about human rights, bit different from forcing a free nation to join the UESSR. The majority wanted us to stay out of the EU, still do. The French voted no on EU, the EU demanded another vote. The EU has resulted to bullying, same with Greece, Ireland. A lot of people in these countries don't want to be part of the EU. Start a poll in Greece or Spain, see what you get. Ask the people if they voted to join the EU and if they want to leave it. Will you allow them a referendum or deny them it?
I am talking about human rights here. But it is the same principle.
Why let Francoise the fundamentalist cathoolic farmer with and IQ of 79 who thinks that black people are used by jews to run the world and that muslims want to take his pork and who has never left the Provaunce decide what would be the best path for his country to take:
In deregulating the finacial market and privatising the public sector of his country?
Do you think he even knows what that would mean?
Do you think, Anna Lichtenberger, the 25 year old Berlin college student with dreads and hemp clothes, who is a vegan and posts anti corporate nonsence on (irony) faceboock using her I-pad, knows how a social system must be built up and how inferstructure must be arranged to provide equal acces to it by to all citizens?
I am more in support of a representative Republic on that point.
Because if the public is displeased, it can always vote a next time or collect the signitures for a referendum.
Quote:UKIP isn't racist, I'm not sure it has nothing to do with homophobia or sexism.
Many UKIP members were once conservative, they split off and formed their own political group in response to the EU. Stating that joining it was unfair, undemocratic and that we should be allowed a referendum, for which I support.
If UKIP gives us a referendum, that's a step in the right direction. I won't vote for Lab, Lib or Con. They've shown how corrupt they are.
I didn`t say it was racist. I said it was homophobic and gave an example.
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(January 30, 2013 at 10:44 am)Ace Otana Wrote: http://youtu.be/kM8mMQ6l47I?t=38s
What does this "zionisation" thing mean in the beggining of this vid!!!??
Have you looked at the channel of the user who uploaded this vid?!?!?!
Have you seen the other vids he uploaded!?!?!?!?
It is an antisemetic christian Russian orthodox conspiracy nut channel!!!!!!!!!!!!:
I hope you are not seeing a antisemetic piece as a legitemate political comment?!
The narraters entire point brakes together when he argues that EU officials arent ellected, because they are.
And nations in the EU still have their sovereignty. Why do you think you went to Iraq without European support?
I am not saying that was a wise decision, but it was a svereign one.
