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Britain leaving the EU

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Britain leaving the EU
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RE: Britain leaving the EU
January 30, 2013 at 5:18 pm
(January 30, 2013 at 5:12 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Odd, I thought I had. My bad on that point. Still, your jumping to conclusions is inexcusable.

Yeah indeed.

Jumping to conclusions about what others may be thinking and whom they may be adressing or even trying to somehow dishonestly sum up and voice their opinion for them..........

(November 19, 2012 at 3:49 am)Tiberius Wrote: Too many long fucking posts in this thread. I'll try to be concise:

It appears that some people in this thread believe that they have the right (or at least, the government does) to control what parents teach their children. This is of course entirely based on their own preconceptions about what is real; completely ignoring the preconceptions of others. In other words, it's an undeniably selfish position to hold.

Just because science is held as a good method for determining what is true by the majority of people, does not make it the only way of determining truth, nor does it give that majority a right to impose it on others. Imagine if the shoe were on the other foot, and you were a science advocate in a sternly religious (and anti-science) country. Would you be fine with your countrymen denying you the right to teach your child your beliefs? I doubt it.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Science is not a method for establishing absolute truth. It is a method for establishing empirical truth, which is wholly different. For starters, whilst empirical truth is often seen as "more accurate" than other forms of truth because it can be verified and tested experimentally, one of the core principles of science is falsifiability...in other words; any "truth" obtained through science and empiricism must be able to be disproved in some way. If that possibility exists, empirical truth is not absolute truth.

Thus, whilst you may think science is the best method for obtaining truth, it isn't the only method, and there are plenty of people who believe other methods are either equal or better. To deny these people to teach their own children their views is an ultimate violation of their rights as both humans and as parents.

As for these children not being able to integrate into society; it seems that empirical evidence would cast doubts on your theory. You see, astoundingly, the vast majority of religious beliefs have no impact on people's everyday lives in society. The UK possibly proves this more than most countries; we are one of the most multicultural places on Earth, home to people of countless faiths and races, and we all seem to (for the most part) get on just fine. I have atheist friends, Christian friends, Muslims friends, and even Hindu friends. We all see the world differently; we all believe in different things, but we all respect each other enough to not make it as big an issue as you seem to want to make it.

Oh look, that wasn't very concise at all. I do apologise.

.............. is not ok.

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Britain leaving the EU - by Something completely different - January 29, 2013 at 6:37 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 29, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Nine - January 29, 2013 at 7:22 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by TaraJo - January 30, 2013 at 10:04 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Anomalocaris - January 30, 2013 at 1:54 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by HorribleOffensiveScouser91 - January 29, 2013 at 10:49 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 30, 2013 at 6:19 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Zone - January 30, 2013 at 7:05 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 30, 2013 at 7:16 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Zone - January 30, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 30, 2013 at 7:45 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 30, 2013 at 10:44 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by frankiej - January 30, 2013 at 11:03 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 30, 2013 at 11:10 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 30, 2013 at 11:43 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 30, 2013 at 12:44 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 30, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Tiberius - January 30, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 30, 2013 at 10:23 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Tiberius - January 30, 2013 at 8:42 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by HorribleOffensiveScouser91 - January 30, 2013 at 6:15 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Napoléon - January 30, 2013 at 9:31 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Napoléon - January 30, 2013 at 11:18 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 30, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Cato - January 30, 2013 at 11:58 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by HorribleOffensiveScouser91 - January 30, 2013 at 2:10 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Zone - January 30, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 30, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 30, 2013 at 3:49 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 30, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 30, 2013 at 4:02 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 30, 2013 at 4:10 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 30, 2013 at 4:17 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Gooders1002 - January 30, 2013 at 3:49 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Tiberius - January 30, 2013 at 5:12 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Something completely different - January 30, 2013 at 5:18 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Jackalope - January 30, 2013 at 5:30 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Tiberius - January 30, 2013 at 5:24 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Tiberius - January 30, 2013 at 5:35 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Napoléon - January 30, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Creed of Heresy - January 30, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Autumnlicious - January 30, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Tiberius - January 30, 2013 at 6:56 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by HorribleOffensiveScouser91 - January 30, 2013 at 7:08 pm
Re: Britain leaving the EU - by fr0d0 - January 30, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Napoléon - January 30, 2013 at 7:30 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Napoléon - January 30, 2013 at 7:35 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Tiberius - January 30, 2013 at 7:42 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Darth - January 31, 2013 at 12:52 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 31, 2013 at 7:39 am
Re: RE: Britain leaving the EU - by fr0d0 - January 31, 2013 at 11:44 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 31, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Zone - January 31, 2013 at 11:47 am
Re: Britain leaving the EU - by fr0d0 - January 31, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - January 31, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ashendant - February 1, 2013 at 1:05 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - February 1, 2013 at 5:51 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ashendant - February 1, 2013 at 8:22 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - February 1, 2013 at 8:36 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ashendant - February 1, 2013 at 9:16 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - February 1, 2013 at 9:25 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ashendant - February 1, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - February 1, 2013 at 10:37 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Napoléon - February 1, 2013 at 11:35 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Violet - February 1, 2013 at 3:21 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Creed of Heresy - January 31, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Autumnlicious - January 31, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by KichigaiNeko - February 1, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Darth - February 1, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ashendant - February 1, 2013 at 12:12 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Ace Otana - February 1, 2013 at 3:58 pm
RE: Britain leaving the EU - by Napoléon - February 2, 2013 at 7:54 am

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