Quote:In case this needs explaining (you never know) neither the existence of god nor even the physical possibility of god are established facts. Until there is evidence for god, why act as if there is? If I understand you correctly, you say that such an amazingly complex universe must have been created.
No the point is if the was no universe that supports life, then no one would be here to wonder if our existence was intentionally caused or whether it was the result of happenstance (watch out there is a guy in here who thinks that's a false dichotomy). If no universe existed, the case for theism would be closed. The fact a universe does exist is at least cause to suppose either mindless forces somehow caused it to exist or it was intentionally caused to exist. Atheism to be true doesn't require a universe to exist. Theism requires some place for us to exist in order to consider the universe may have been intentionally designed and created.
Quote:So...wouldn't an infinitely more amazing god also require creation, or will you play the special pleading card?
You know this is just a carnard right? Suppose you're right that God did need creating, if so theism is still true right? So it really doesn't make any difference to the question at hand. Let me point out though that theism is a belief in regard to how humans and the universe came about, its silent on how God might have come about.
Quote:It is the default position to suspend judgment when there isn't solid evidence, rather than go with your gut. Thing is, when someone says "naturalistic explanation" there are many possible theories that could belong under that category. People said that lightning was Zeus, and tidal waves Posiedon. Do you know the one thing all claims of "goddidit" have historically had in common? When we found out the answer, goddidntdoit. Why push him further into the gaps, instead of admitting that we don't know how the the universe began
We don't know how it began but I think we all agree it exists. You claim that goddidntdoit but if in fact God is responsible for the existence of the universe then indirectly God did do it didn't he? Your statement Goddidntdoit is only true if we were to settle the very question were asking.