The Case for Theism

[Darkstar]

You know this is just a carnard right? Suppose you're right that God did need creating, if so theism is still true right? So it really doesn't make any difference to the question at hand. Let me point out though that theism is a belief in regard to how humans and the universe came about, its silent on how God might have come about.

And yet how god could exist, created or not, is an even more pressing question than how the universe could. The point is more that god couldn't have been created because if he were then there would need to be a god+, and a god++ above that and it would lead to infinite regress. If god came into being through natural processes, then wouldn't the universe have logically come before him? And if god is said to have always existed, then this is special pleading, that god can have always existed while nothing else can.

It is the default position to suspend judgment when there isn't solid evidence, rather than go with your gut. Thing is, when someone says "naturalistic explanation" there are many possible theories that could belong under that category. People said that lightning was Zeus, and tidal waves Posiedon. Do you know the one thing all claims of "goddidit" have historically had in common? When we found out the answer, goddidntdoit. Why push him further into the gaps, instead of admitting that we don't know how the the universe began

We don't know how it began but I think we all agree it exists. You claim that goddidntdoit but if in fact God is responsible for the existence of the universe then indirectly God did do it didn't he? Your statement Goddidntdoit is only true if we were to settle the very question were asking.

You are right in that we cannot know absolutely 100% that goddidntdoit unless we know exactly what did happen. However, since we don't know, we need to either simply say that, or pick the theory with the most evidence for it and say "this might be the answer". The god hypothesis does not have the most evidence for it, rather it probably has the least. It basically says "we don't know, therefore god". Unless you can demonstrate otherwise...