RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 9, 2013 at 2:44 pm
(This post was last modified: March 9, 2013 at 2:44 pm by catfish.)
(March 9, 2013 at 2:01 pm)genkaus Wrote:All your doing is harping on autonomy. Accept science, no mater what the stage of developement is, it's the same DNA and organism that was formed at fetilization. If you want to harp on autonomy, then you must recognise that even a new-born still relies on others for it's survival.(March 9, 2013 at 1:32 pm)catfish Wrote: Bull fucking SHIT! Same DNA, same original lifeforce, same individual living being. Just because you require it to reach a certain age of development doesn't change this fact. (really, please argue that it isn't the same being)
Not the same life-force since it relies on that of the mother and not the same individual without the individual autonomy. So no - not the same being at all.
(March 9, 2013 at 2:01 pm)genkaus Wrote:(March 9, 2013 at 1:32 pm)catfish Wrote: A seed is considered a plant by the government here in the US, so an ebryo, fetus, "a bunch of fucking cells" deserves a higher standard than we (you) allow a human being.
No, it deserves a lower standard. A seed - once formed - can survive and grow without relying upon the plant that produced it. The embryo, fetus, "bunch of fucking cells" - cannot.
A seed has enough energy from it's parent that it can live for several days with nothing once it's germinated.
Whether or not an embryo, fetus, or a "bunch of fucking cells" can survive on it's own is irrelevant to fact that it is an independant living organism. A newborn cannot survive on it's own once outside the womb, nor can a coma patient on life support. All you're doing is making an excuse for taking human life when the only difference in that lifeform is it's age and abilities.
(March 9, 2013 at 2:01 pm)genkaus Wrote:(March 9, 2013 at 1:32 pm)catfish Wrote: You are messed up if you consider sexism more reprehensible than killing human life...
I don't. But then we are not talking about a human life here.
Says you...