Why do so many of you quote the bible and do nothing what says in it

[EGross]

The Bible punishes rape with death. Read Lev 22. Read the sermon on the mount or 1 Cor 6.

You will not find a single Christian leader in the world who teaches that the Bible accepts rape.

You keep saying how the OT, first you incorrectly used Deut. to prove a point, where it says the opposite, and now you use Lev. 22 that says nothing to support you either, unless you are somehow linking an offering with crushed gonads as being unpleasing to the Lord for a sacrifie, with rape!

Have you ever really studied these texts, or are you just citing someone's footnotes?

But maybe you did a typo. Maybe you meant Deut. 22 and typed Lev. It happens.

First of all, the Torah never uses the word for rape (אנס or any variant), so rape is never mentioned. From the Biblical perspective, a woman is property, and so taking the contractually binding ownership and ignoring that and either giving your goods away (as a woman) that you no longer own, or taking them from another who has already purchased them, is a deadly crime.

I also, elsewhere, did an extensive explanation of the 4 cases in question to prove that it never spoke of someone being killed for rape. It just isn't in there.

Instead, the Torah will always use the word "to lay with" whenever it is expressing any forbidden sexual act, and in this case, you don't own it, you don't get to use it. So while the case of a man laying with a woman, taking what was not his, maybe he seduced her, maybe he raped her. In either case, he stole that which was not his to steal, and it is for that forbidden act, not how he did it, that he is killed. It is a special type of "theft" or misuse of property that could result in a child of unknown status.

While one could make the argument of "rape" for the case where it adds that she was under threat, it is apparent that he was being executed for his taking and was not being executed for rape, since, he is also executed if she willingly participated, and at no time, does an unmarried woman who was not a virgin and not under contract, is mentioned in the context of the death penalty, or even a 1 shekel fine.

While I will not debate you on what the Christian texts may say, since that is not my specialty, they stand upon the older texts that do not condemn rape, just condemn the theft/use of an already contractually obligated vagina.

And in the end, if her father chose to do so, the real victim of this could be forced to marry the bastard and never be divorced from him for all of her life.

Oh, and just because a Christian leader will not say it, does not mean that it is not in there. It is. And remember that a na'arah, or "young girl" could be as young as three years old (less than that, a different term is used). erusin, the contractual binding of her goods to the ownership of another can be done as early as three, although it would be years before the buyer would pick up his purchase to bring her home. Sort of like giving money to a horse breeder and picking up the mare when she is old enough to start breeding.

So the penalty for forcing yourself on a 5 year old girl who was not yet betrothed is the normal purchase price, plus 50 shekels, and if the father doesn't want you to have her, you get to go along on your business.

Not a bad deal.