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The 'old testament' argument
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RE: The 'old testament' argument
(March 19, 2013 at 2:57 pm)Tonus Wrote:
(March 19, 2013 at 1:26 am)Godschild Wrote: As for the supposed changing God did actually did not happen. Let's take a short look at what happened. God gave Adam and Eve one commandment, they could not manage to keep it, God made it simple for them yet they blew it.
Then comes the 10 Commandments, well the Israelites started disobeying in short order.
Then comes the law of Moses and again these laws were broken in short order.
God kept trying to teach, but man just closed his ears saying la,la,la,la,la and kept right own doing it man's way, if we had listened early on it would not have come down to umpteen laws to keep, just one.

Genesis 1:31: God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.

But not good enough to work the way it was supposed to, even with god's guidance and cajoling and threatening and promises of reward and punishment. God's definition of "good" is not very, uh... good.

Everything was good until Adam and Eve sinned. Creation worked just as it was designed, it did not work as God desired it to. Adam and Eve had the free will to decide to obey God or not to, they chose not to. God's desire was for them to obey, it was one simple commandment yet they allowed selfishness to enter their lives, thus their wrong decision and sin entered the world. Was not God's fault they chose wrong, they were designed to have choice and chose to sin. They were not designed to sin, it was their choice to sin, they were designed to love God, they allowed selfishness to over ride the love they had for Him and sinned.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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The 'old testament' argument - by iameatingjam - March 12, 2013 at 11:47 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by paulpablo - March 12, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Celi - March 12, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by A_Nony_Mouse - March 24, 2013 at 4:21 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Joel - March 12, 2013 at 12:44 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Minimalist - March 12, 2013 at 1:51 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Joel - March 12, 2013 at 2:19 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Minimalist - March 12, 2013 at 2:21 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by iameatingjam - March 12, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by The Grand Nudger - March 12, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by NoMoreFaith - March 12, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by The Grand Nudger - March 12, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Angrboda - March 12, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by catfish - March 12, 2013 at 10:24 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Neo-Scholastic - March 12, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 19, 2013 at 1:26 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Darkstar - March 19, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Tonus - March 19, 2013 at 2:57 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 19, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Tonus - March 19, 2013 at 7:01 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 20, 2013 at 10:44 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Tonus - March 21, 2013 at 6:09 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by catfish - March 21, 2013 at 6:16 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Neo-Scholastic - March 21, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Tonus - March 21, 2013 at 2:25 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 21, 2013 at 4:41 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Tonus - March 21, 2013 at 8:08 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Neo-Scholastic - March 22, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 22, 2013 at 8:05 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by A_Nony_Mouse - March 24, 2013 at 8:57 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 25, 2013 at 2:06 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by A_Nony_Mouse - March 25, 2013 at 4:01 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 26, 2013 at 1:28 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by A_Nony_Mouse - March 27, 2013 at 3:00 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Neo-Scholastic - March 26, 2013 at 1:14 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by A_Nony_Mouse - March 27, 2013 at 1:51 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Minimalist - March 19, 2013 at 3:22 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Minimalist - March 19, 2013 at 5:42 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by EGross - March 21, 2013 at 4:50 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Minimalist - March 20, 2013 at 11:18 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by catfish - March 21, 2013 at 2:00 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Joel - March 21, 2013 at 5:51 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Joel - March 21, 2013 at 6:20 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Sagasa - March 21, 2013 at 4:15 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Ryantology - March 21, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Minimalist - March 24, 2013 at 9:31 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by A_Nony_Mouse - March 24, 2013 at 9:49 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Ryantology - March 25, 2013 at 3:34 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 25, 2013 at 3:56 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 27, 2013 at 11:39 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by A_Nony_Mouse - March 28, 2013 at 6:41 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by jstrodel - March 28, 2013 at 12:57 am

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