RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 20, 2013 at 11:46 am
(This post was last modified: March 20, 2013 at 12:16 pm by AnonyMoose.)
(March 18, 2013 at 11:48 pm)jstrodel Wrote: I believe that the original scriptures describe the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, as the most beautiful act in history, that the tradition has faithfully represented the original intention by God.
Are you Jewish? Neat. I was interested in converting to Judaism before I became a Christian. Why do you think those things? What makes you think blood sacrifice is wrong?
I was born and raised a Russian Jew in Little Odessa, and I cannot imagine anyone wanting to become Jewish. For one, while everyone else was out playing and having a wonderful life, it was Hebrew School year after year, day in day out, and Hebrew Day Camp all summer. Who wants that amount of religion poured down their throats? And did I mention they feed you borscht all the time? Beets are like eating painted dirt. For two, being Jewish is two components - one is the religion, but the other is that we are Semites from a specific tribe and our DNA comes from one of those tribes. We are told at birth which tribe. So you could believe in our religion but you still might feel a bit outcast because you aren't genetically like we are.
As an adult I am somewhere between atheist and deist, but if I suddenly found out that religions existed I think an Abrahamic religion would be the last one on my list to side with just because of the effort to be a Jew or Muslim. I would probably pick something fairly easy without too much restrictive dogma. Have you read the 613 laws (mitzvot)? Some are beyond idiotic. Who would want to live by those?
(March 19, 2013 at 10:04 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Necessity: Christ's death was necessary to pay for the sins of the world because God's holy character requires a sacrifice for sin.
Necessary as defined by who? Is there any empirical evidence that there is a single god that caused this universe to exist, that this god has a "holy character" (what is that definition?!?!), or that sin requires sacrifice? Or did a group of bishops led by Constantine make up that dogma in Nicea in 325 AD? I guess that takes us back to concepts like biblical inerrancy or a Pope being the vicar of Christ. Why do a few men get to make all the rules, and then for tens of centuries why do billions of humans have to take all of that as absolute truth?
(March 20, 2013 at 6:47 am)catfish Wrote: So if the Bible is a true representation of reality like people want to insist, then the only logical conclusion is that Moses' laws concerning sacrifices were man-made.
It comes down to two major considerations, IMHO.
1) Moses was just a man, and you have to decide if either he wrote the first five books of Tanakh or if god handed those to Moses at Sinai and in a portable tent called "The Tabernacle" that was schlepped around throughout the entire exodus from Egypt to Canaan by a bunch of folks.
2) You have to decide if you believe in the inerrancy of not only Moses (item 1), but in Judaism we are supposed to believe in two Torahs. The written one AND the oral one. And clearly, the oral Torah is rabbinical narratives that ended up in Talmud and Mishrash. So the question is if those centuries of Rebbis talking to each other are controlled for accuracy by a living god, or if it's the phone game.
My personal view is that this is all man-made and that no gods are necessary for defining laws or universal rules.
(March 19, 2013 at 10:04 pm)jstrodel Wrote: God is the nicest person that you could ever meet. I love God. God is my best friend.
I just want to be clear here on something you are saying:
1) So god is a person (a living human)?
2) You have met this person?
3) He is now your best friend?
Can you tell me where you met, what he said, how many times you have met him, and what he has done for you that would qualify him as your best friend?
"Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree."
"The Bible: Because all the wonders of science can’t equal the wisdom of cattle sacrificing primitives who thought every animal species in the world lived within walking distance of Noah’s house."
"The Bible: Because all the wonders of science can’t equal the wisdom of cattle sacrificing primitives who thought every animal species in the world lived within walking distance of Noah’s house."