RE: Science and religion
March 25, 2013 at 2:02 pm
(This post was last modified: March 25, 2013 at 2:18 pm by The Reality Salesman01.)
(March 24, 2013 at 4:43 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Ryantology, there are many arguments for God's existence and the truth of Christianity, and I have posted them on here over and over again. It is simply not true that I am only arguing that God exists because his existence cannot be dis-proven, I am arguing God exists because of historical evidence (which accepts the historicity of Jesus Christ and the apostles working to spread the message that they would spread at the cost of their own lives), the coherence and explanatory power of theism (in the cosmological, moral and teleological arguments that coincide with modern physics such as the big bang theory and ethics in appreciating human language which refers to ethical concepts), the historical spread of Christianity through miracles and signs and wonders which I have personally experienced.
Also the historical reality of Israel and how it relates to Islam, and the spread of monotheism around the world and how Islam, Christianity and Judaism have created the most advanced societies in existence.
There are many other arguments as well, if you want to study natural theology.
Not a single thing you have offered as a "good argument" has been a good argument pointing to theology as probable. You have just shown that its possible.
You are having a hard time making the distinction between possible, plausible and probable.
You keep calling your unfalsifiable hypothesis probable. Its not. For it to be probable, you would have to have better reason to believe that you are right and...
A) every other religion is wrong
B) The metaphysical and scientific impossibilites your hypothesis depends on are not as they appear.
You have not. Your hypothesis, while possible, is no more PLAUSIBLE or PROBABLE than the tooth fairy.
(March 24, 2013 at 1:16 am)jstrodel Wrote: Prove how it is morally wrong in formal logic.
Like this:
1. (self evident)
2. (self evident) if condition 1 then conclusion
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3. (conclusion)
Mr Infidel, I promised I would give you 100 dollars, I am not lying. What is holding you back? I will because I care about you.
Things we do not yet understand exist
Miracles are something that is not yet understood
Once something is understood, it is not a miracle
This argument doesn't show that miracles don't logically exist.
But it does raise the question...Why does anyone care about miracles? They are just reasons to continue to educate our children. To celebrate things as "miracles" is another way to celebrate ignorance.
Can you imagine if people just chalked electricity up to being a miracle and never sought understanding?
Fire?
Cancer as an evil spirit?
Jesus!