God is the great spirit friend

[Mystical]

@MysticKnight

Sure you can focus on people not doing well in facing adversity, but, perhaps the gems that do well, are worth the tribulations and suffering.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but, you are saying that despite the mass majority of those who don't do well in adversity, the gems that do well are worth the tribulations and hellish sufferring [of those who don't do well] on an eternal timescale?

You seem to be connecting life experiences with earning praise in success. But the two are non-sequiter. Here on earth, you win a race the other kids get second third prizes and the rest of them cry. But they always have another chance to beat you on the next race. In Christian gods' world, you win you win forever. You lose, you lose forever and the losers were only there to make the winners winners.

I can see how one might think it would be benevolent if when we died we all go to heaven/peace, and our lives are tribulations of the most minute discourse in comparison to the eternal scale. I just don't think someone who puts us in this system of torture could be benevolent in the long run either. Would you put your daughter in a sandbox with fireants and tell her to grab something buried in the sand if she wants to have cake as opposed to being grounded in the timeout chair for the rest of her life, when she comes out? Even if you gave her a cake the rest of her life and she wasn't permanently physically damaged: you can't take back what you made her do, and she can't take back in her mind what you did to her. Nothing can take back what's been done, or what will be done. The mere fact that we live in this world as we do, makes me think that there can't be a benevolent creator out there.

Most Christian people are soooooo insistent on there needing to be a place for people like Hitler. Some of us just deserve Hell for what we do for the position in life we take (the dark side). This presupposition is implying that not every human born to this earth is deserving of heaven but rather hell. Implying that we choose one way or the other, for our afterlife. Further supposing that our spirits are choosing one way or the other for their default position in the after-LIFE.
Christians propose that there is the "grass" and the "weeds" and we grow up together as one. Then supposedly the weeds are ripped from the earth and cast into the fire and the grass grows greener.
Then Christians admit a weed can become a grass, with the blood of Jesus Christ.
Where the catch comes in, is that in order to become grass from the weed, there are stipulations.

Thing is though: we choose on this earth what to do and not to do. We aren't predestined in nature at birth to do the wrong thing. Genetics can help and environment is key. Those who raise you, conditions in which they live, those who control your environment, those who are in your life: make you who you are, not the other way around. That's what we visually observe in the real world. We grow up to be what we are made to be---based on the decisions we make, not by ourselves but by the positivity or the negativity of the world surrounding us and how we react to them. The possibilities by probability for choices if you were me or I was you would be limited in your movements one way or the other.
In the real life, you can't just say "I"m good." then be good. You have to do good to be good. The bible even says that.
Well what's good? Christians say god is all good and we learn our measure of good from him.
In the observable world, we learn our measure of good from our environment and from observing the systems around us that govern our physical existance.

But the bible and science both contend that one is considered innocent as a baby.

If I'm born innocent, and have the choice up until the day of my death whether I'm a weed or grass, then why do you still tell me I've fallen? That we've all fallen? How the fuck is it benevolent in any way whatsoever to tumble innocents onto earth covered in the veil of sin by default, just so a few of them can overcome the sin and say they overcame the sin as they walk on all the sinners heads (which had to be there to get stepped on) in order for the righteous to get to freedom? Oh and forcefully leave the rest in hell else wise your reward is no longer a reward??

It's not benevolent. Period.

So the Christian version of afterlife either must assume that their benevolent god will make it so those who fail and are successful will both be at peace.
Or the Christians must go with the far-more-easier-for-them-to-swallow version which is: the heaven/hell scenario. Based on the fact the Bible has the latter within it's tenets, I submit to you that the only way to get the praise promised to you, is for the mere existence of those who go to hell.

Which again: not benevolent in any way.