The Case for Theism

[Drew_2013]

@Joel

You minsunderstood the analogy. The universe constaining sentient beings and all that surrounds them is the jar. I need you to explain why the jar has something in it other than that what you clumsily assumed was the jar.

Why does one contain nothing, and the other one a God?

Try again.

I would reccomend reading and paying attention and not just typing the first idea that pops in your head this time.

Reading your analogy doesn't help.

If I had 2 clear glass jars that both appeared to be empty.
I told you that one of them was infact empty but the other had a God in it that was responsible for every answer to every question you could have about anything.
But this God could not be seen or heard by you.
It lacked any attribute that you would associate with any actual being or thing whatsoever.
There was no experiment that you could do that shows that anything existed in the "God Jar" that didn't exist in the empty jar.
How then would I convince you of this claim?

What God is this supposed to be analogous to? I'm not defending the existence of a God to whom nothing is attributed to. I'm attributing the existence of the universe and life to God.

This goes back to the first post...

1. The fact the universe exists

That might seem like a paltry fact in support of theism. Suppose I was trying a case for murder, the first line of evidence I would produce is a dead body. After all, I couldn't accuse anyone of murder if there was no one deceased. If the universe didn't exist there would be no reason to invoke the existence of God. Moreover if a universe didn't exist there would in fact be as atheists claim no evidence God exists. In order for anyone to even think God exists a place for humans to exist must exist. There are certain facts that must be true for anyone to think God exists. For humans to have any reason to think God might exist, we must have a place that allows us to live. There are in fact several facts and conditions that must be true in order for there to be any reason to think the existence of a Creator is true. None of those facts needs to be true for atheism to be true. Atheism doesn't require the existence of a universe to believe atheism is true. If the universe didn't exist atheism might still be false (God might exist but not have created the universe) but there would be no evidentiary reason to raise the existence of God. Additional lines of evidence soon to follow...