RE: The Case for Theism
March 30, 2013 at 6:18 pm
(This post was last modified: March 30, 2013 at 7:16 pm by The Reality Salesman01.)
@Joel
Again dude, you're firing from the hip and not realizing what the analogy is showing. Let me break it down.
Jar 1- The universe as seen through the eyes of an Atheist. It is what it is without inserting a God. There is no reason to believe that anything invisible that lacks evidence or any other attribute shared by all other observable things is inside Jar 1.
Jar 2- The same universe above, but seen through the eyes of an individual attempting to attribute all of it to a God that shares all the same attributes as a God that is made up. He lacks evidence and all other attributes shared by everything else in the universe. Jar 2 is exactly the same as Jar 1. They are both exactly as they appear. What method are you going to use to show that there is good reason to believe that the jars are anything but what they appear to be?
The universe without a God is exactly the universe we would expect if it were created by chance without a God. If you are to show that it is one that would be made by a God, I would live to hear it, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
The beginning of the universe was very harsh and unstable. It was anything but what I personally would expect a God of perfect power to make. Why all the mess? Why so many years of unstable particles and gasses just floating around?
Nothing you've said points to this being logically attributed to a God-like process.
It seems as though you just keep saying that the universe is complex and formed at some point so clearly a God made it!
I'm afraid this God of the Gaps philosophy is not as inviting to me.
Knock yourself out though.
God exists because the universe exists.
God created the universe.
Therefore God exists.
...huh?
Again dude, you're firing from the hip and not realizing what the analogy is showing. Let me break it down.
Jar 1- The universe as seen through the eyes of an Atheist. It is what it is without inserting a God. There is no reason to believe that anything invisible that lacks evidence or any other attribute shared by all other observable things is inside Jar 1.
Jar 2- The same universe above, but seen through the eyes of an individual attempting to attribute all of it to a God that shares all the same attributes as a God that is made up. He lacks evidence and all other attributes shared by everything else in the universe. Jar 2 is exactly the same as Jar 1. They are both exactly as they appear. What method are you going to use to show that there is good reason to believe that the jars are anything but what they appear to be?
The universe without a God is exactly the universe we would expect if it were created by chance without a God. If you are to show that it is one that would be made by a God, I would live to hear it, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
The beginning of the universe was very harsh and unstable. It was anything but what I personally would expect a God of perfect power to make. Why all the mess? Why so many years of unstable particles and gasses just floating around?
Nothing you've said points to this being logically attributed to a God-like process.
It seems as though you just keep saying that the universe is complex and formed at some point so clearly a God made it!
I'm afraid this God of the Gaps philosophy is not as inviting to me.
Knock yourself out though.
God exists because the universe exists.
God created the universe.
Therefore God exists.
...huh?
