Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: December 13, 2024, 9:47 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 1 Vote(s) - 1 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Uprooting believers.
#15
RE: Uprooting believers.
(March 31, 2013 at 1:33 pm)Golbez Wrote: Yes, the forums are a great medium to ask such questions of the non-believers. I was kind of thinking like formulating a sort of thorough and rigorous explanation to show how religious people can be walked down from their position without hurting themselves (too much). I've been watching that Evid3nc3 series pretty much nonstop and he's basically done the work I was thinking of. Meticulously going point by point how he had been led to believe what he believes, and why each point had inherent flaws, and how those points could be dismantled. Glorious series. I was thinking something of that on a scholastic level, I guess.

I've been pondering on how to utilise Evid3nc3's method of viewing the religious experience in order to deconvert people as well. I think some of the effort needs to come from the believer themselves though. Except, they won't know they're headed in the direction of deconversion. That's pretty much what I did without knowing it; I decided to go out and confirm the "truths" I knew by looking for the historical & philosophical evidence/arguments, and from this sincere pursuit of truth, as a Christian, I came to a point where I simply couldn't take the cognitive dissonance anymore, and I "cracked" -- or deconverted.

Of course, I'm fairly young compared to the average age at this forum, so my pursuit for the truth wasn't at all influenced by the circumstances in my life. I mean, sure, I still had some things to lose like the church community I was a part of, my worship team position & generally being able to do life with my Christian friends. But I have the rest of my life in order to pursue a new direction and build my life around the values I now have. This most likely isn't true of our resident believers. I'm assuming the majority are either married and influential in their churches, or both. Therefore, seeing the light simply isn't something that can ever happen, and therefore that seed of humbleness and integrity that I had within me which enabled me to honestly search for truth won't ever be planted in them. Their bliss necessarily depends upon staying in the comfort of the darkness.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Uprooting believers. - by Golbez - March 31, 2013 at 2:30 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by FallentoReason - March 31, 2013 at 3:08 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Violet - March 31, 2013 at 7:04 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by FallentoReason - March 31, 2013 at 8:08 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Violet - March 31, 2013 at 4:38 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Golbez - April 3, 2013 at 8:08 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Violet - April 3, 2013 at 8:35 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Tonus - March 31, 2013 at 8:09 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Golbez - March 31, 2013 at 3:15 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by FallentoReason - March 31, 2013 at 3:56 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - March 31, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Golbez - March 31, 2013 at 1:33 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by FallentoReason - April 1, 2013 at 4:05 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - March 31, 2013 at 1:36 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by MysticKnight - March 31, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - March 31, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Golbez - March 31, 2013 at 11:35 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by catfish - April 1, 2013 at 4:11 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by MysticKnight - April 1, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2013 at 3:59 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by catfish - April 1, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by MysticKnight - April 1, 2013 at 4:25 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Golbez - April 3, 2013 at 8:46 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Violet - April 4, 2013 at 1:35 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by CapnAwesome - April 3, 2013 at 9:11 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Golbez - April 3, 2013 at 10:57 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 3, 2013 at 11:11 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Golbez - April 4, 2013 at 1:40 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 4, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Golbez - April 4, 2013 at 3:27 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 4, 2013 at 3:34 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 4, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 4, 2013 at 3:12 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 3:14 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Golbez - April 4, 2013 at 5:38 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 4, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Golbez - April 5, 2013 at 7:05 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 5, 2013 at 9:44 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 6:12 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 4, 2013 at 6:25 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 6:45 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by FallentoReason - April 4, 2013 at 8:41 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 4, 2013 at 10:35 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by FallentoReason - April 4, 2013 at 10:51 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 11:04 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by FallentoReason - April 4, 2013 at 11:25 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 11:28 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by FallentoReason - April 4, 2013 at 11:31 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 11:35 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by FallentoReason - April 5, 2013 at 12:08 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2013 at 12:24 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Mystical - April 5, 2013 at 12:42 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2013 at 12:49 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Mystical - April 5, 2013 at 4:25 am
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Golbez - April 5, 2013 at 1:40 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 5, 2013 at 2:02 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2013 at 1:45 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2013 at 2:09 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 5, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Golbez - April 5, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Tonus - April 5, 2013 at 2:54 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 5, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Golbez - April 5, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Mystical - April 5, 2013 at 7:26 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Tex - April 8, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: Uprooting believers. - by Golbez - April 9, 2013 at 5:53 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Sincere and peaceful believers are tough people purplepurpose 4 1253 September 27, 2021 at 11:48 am
Last Post: HappySkeptic
  Hardcore believers act like aliens from different planet purplepurpose 21 5817 December 15, 2017 at 7:49 pm
Last Post: vulcanlogician
  "No born believers" says new study. Gawdzilla Sama 1 1343 November 9, 2017 at 7:21 am
Last Post: Mr.Obvious
  Believers, put yourself in my place. Gawdzilla Sama 102 15817 November 23, 2016 at 11:41 am
Last Post: Neo-Scholastic
  A World Made For Believers, Obviously By The Divine LivingNumbers6.626 17 4028 April 26, 2015 at 3:50 pm
Last Post: Razzle
  3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.) topher 187 36841 April 20, 2015 at 7:56 am
Last Post: Mudhammam
  Bashed by believers Joods 47 10962 April 6, 2015 at 7:30 pm
Last Post: Polaris
  No Patience For Out Spoken Believers LivingNumbers6.626 13 3443 September 16, 2014 at 2:10 pm
Last Post: RobbyPants
  why is there even a word to describe non believers? ticktaka 26 6440 April 17, 2014 at 6:38 pm
Last Post: ticktaka
  To those who were once believers and are now atheists, some advice? *Deidre* 20 6012 March 19, 2014 at 7:55 pm
Last Post: *Deidre*



Users browsing this thread: 26 Guest(s)