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Why are you a Theist?
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RE: Why are you a Theist?
(April 2, 2013 at 12:26 pm)jstrodel Wrote:
(April 2, 2013 at 12:21 pm)pocaracas Wrote: If a god is to be accepted, it needs to be self-evident, given that, thus far, no amount of experimentation has yielded any god.
In order for it to be self-evident, everyone must have the same kind of experience. And I mean literally everyone! Like the experience we have of gravity. Gravity exists, no one questions that.
This all to say that an individual's experience isn't worth anything to another individual (or shouldn't), unless the other can have the same experience.
If your god can bring forth such wonderful experiences, then I just can't wait for it to give them to me as well..... and to all human beings. Thus far, it hasn't provided such experiences... and I'm sure as heck not going out of my way to convince myself that I can have them, so that I will then interpret anything as such experiences.
I'm impartial, and will remain impartial. People will never sway me towards any god with their words and experiences. Only god can do that... and, so far, I've seen nothing.

Why does God have to be self evident to you without seriously seeking Him? What is that based on? That statement is not clear to me.
Yeah... that's because you're trapped by the requirement of faith in order to accept a god.
Me, on the other hand, realizing that, somewhere in the distant past, either a god (or gods) DID have direct contact with a few select ignorant people, or those people invented said god(s), have no such baggage.
If it was invented, case closed, atheism is the correct approach.
If there was contact, then I expect equal contact with everyone... however, I see no such thing, so.... people have to resort to faith. But I refuse to resort to faith on such an important matter.
I refuse to accept the word of some other person, who accepted the word of some other person, who accepted the word of some other person, who accepted the word of some other person, who accepted the word of some other person, who... I think you see where this is going...

So god does not contact everyone, you have to seek it out. If _I seek out this non-corporeal entity, hoe do I do that? Which tools do I employ on such endeavor? Like I said earlier, no amount of scientific testing has yet yielded any divine entity.
Through wanting it to be there? and then finding that I become convinced that it is there?
Is this circular reasoning, or am I seeing things?
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Messages In This Thread
Why are you a Theist? - by Joel - April 1, 2013 at 7:32 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Nine - April 1, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Tonus - April 1, 2013 at 7:46 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Joel - April 1, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Simon Moon - April 1, 2013 at 8:32 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Brian37 - April 1, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by CleanShavenJesus - April 1, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Brian37 - April 1, 2013 at 9:18 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 1, 2013 at 9:19 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by CleanShavenJesus - April 1, 2013 at 9:27 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Brian37 - April 1, 2013 at 9:30 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Joel - April 1, 2013 at 9:33 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Nine - April 1, 2013 at 9:38 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Joel - April 1, 2013 at 9:39 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2013 at 10:03 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by MysticKnight - April 1, 2013 at 10:24 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Angrboda - April 2, 2013 at 4:51 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 5:28 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 11:31 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 12:06 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Foxaèr - April 2, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 6:29 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Foxaèr - April 2, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by CleanShavenJesus - April 2, 2013 at 10:39 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by pocaracas - April 3, 2013 at 10:48 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 12:09 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Simon Moon - April 2, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by pocaracas - April 2, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 12:26 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by pocaracas - April 2, 2013 at 4:30 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 2:18 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 2:46 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by fr0d0 - April 2, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by fr0d0 - April 2, 2013 at 3:59 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 3:59 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by fr0d0 - April 2, 2013 at 4:09 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 2, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 8:57 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Foxaèr - April 2, 2013 at 9:04 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 8:58 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 9:07 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Foxaèr - April 2, 2013 at 9:11 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Foxaèr - April 2, 2013 at 9:13 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 9:13 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 9:19 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Foxaèr - April 2, 2013 at 9:22 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 9:33 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Foxaèr - April 2, 2013 at 9:36 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 9:38 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Foxaèr - April 2, 2013 at 9:40 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 9:41 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 9:45 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Foxaèr - April 2, 2013 at 9:50 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 9:46 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 9:47 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 9:49 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 9:50 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 9:53 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Foxaèr - April 2, 2013 at 10:09 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Angrboda - April 3, 2013 at 3:39 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Foxaèr - April 3, 2013 at 3:46 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Angrboda - April 3, 2013 at 4:01 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Foxaèr - April 3, 2013 at 4:03 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Angrboda - April 3, 2013 at 4:11 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Foxaèr - April 3, 2013 at 4:13 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Angrboda - April 3, 2013 at 4:15 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 9:54 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 10:00 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by fr0d0 - April 3, 2013 at 2:21 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 10:02 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 10:04 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by FallentoReason - April 2, 2013 at 10:05 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 10:38 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 10:41 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by CleanShavenJesus - April 2, 2013 at 11:15 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Foxaèr - April 2, 2013 at 11:17 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Violet - April 3, 2013 at 4:08 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by FallentoReason - April 3, 2013 at 4:25 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Foxaèr - April 3, 2013 at 4:25 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Angrboda - April 3, 2013 at 4:47 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Foxaèr - April 3, 2013 at 5:30 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Angrboda - April 3, 2013 at 12:26 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Tonus - April 3, 2013 at 6:26 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 8:11 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by Faith No More - April 3, 2013 at 9:22 am
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 9:27 am
Re: RE: Why are you a Theist? - by frz - April 19, 2013 at 8:18 pm
RE: Why are you a Theist? - by TromboneAtheist - April 21, 2013 at 3:08 pm

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