RE: What is your alternative to abortion?
April 3, 2013 at 4:45 pm
(This post was last modified: April 3, 2013 at 4:51 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 3, 2013 at 4:32 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Describing yourself as a Libertarian does not make you a Libertarian. Sorry, but it just doesn't. Actions are far more important than words. People can call themselves whatever they like; it is what they do that ultimately defines them. This is especially true when there is an actual legitimate Libertarian party out there in America which actually holds to Libertarian values in their manifesto, and has candidates (and some elected officials) who vote how actual Libertarians should.While that may be important to you or I, these "libertarians" in office are currently in the process of defining (you and I would call that re-defining) what it means to be a libertarian - in our government.
Quote:Are you insane? Libertarianism is a clearly defined political theory. Rand Paul doesn't get to define it.Last time I checked? No. Not insane. The trouble is, again Tibs, that "libertarians" like Rand Paul -are- defining it.
Quote:You are missing the point entirely. You aren't looking at a libertarian movement. I've made that clear. Look at the actual Libertarian Party if you want to look at a libertarian movement. Come on, you're just moving the goalposts to support your own argument. If George Bush started going around calling himself a Democrat, and I pointed at him and said "look what the Democrats have become", you'd rightly shoot me down for being foolish.Right, the libertarian party which continues to disavow the politicians who continue to claim that they are libertarians. I'm not making an argument tibs, there are no goalposts to move (neither you nor I feel that their little title fits....but that's not really all that important - is it?) - Rand Paul is what americans are offered as a libertarian, he is currently in office, doing -important things-. People are buying this label, people (read neo-con shitwits) are starting to label themselves as libertarians (no change in principles or policy required). Here, "libertarian" is a re-branding of "republican". That's what Min is constantly giving you shit about amigo.
It's pleasant to imagine, btw, that across the pond the libertarians are actually libertarians. Is this the case?
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