What Sacrifice ?

[Cinjin]

The sacrifice is the suffering endured. He died at the hands of the very people that he was trying to save. In this, he had to unnecessarily humble himself and live with people he calls his own while watching them cheat each other, beat each other, and promote their own superiority, and all sort of depravity. Specifically on the crucifixion, he was denied by his best friend, beaten, heckled, spit on, forced to work till he collapsed, nailed to a cross, had the wrath of the Father upon him, then died of suffocation and fatigue. Then, he stayed dead for a while. That was the sacrifice. He suffered, yet he is God. He did this without sinning while in the Mosaic Covenant.

Resurrection is the gift to us. That whole passion bit wasn't just for fun. Jesus is resurrected, and therefore gets to bring those of faith (does not mean knowledge of western metaphysical thought on an Unmoved mover) to the Father for purification and everlasting life.

Greasy sophistry. There is no sacrifice. For fucks sake, Jesus didn't even get a single bone broken in his body! What a joke. As if being spit on, heckled, or god-forbid, betrayed by a friend can count as a sacrifice worthy of saving the entire human race, let alone a death that doesn't even last for a full three days. Cast Jesus into Hell for a trillion years and maybe I'll consider his actions worthy of the term, sacrifice.

I've expressed what scripture says on this subject, I see no reason to rehash what you are not going to consider, your intent of the subjects you bring up are a waste time for the most part.

o GC, that hurts me. I think it should be fair around here. Why should you be the only one who gets to waste everybody's time???

And where is the sacrifice?
He puts up with a bit of abuse for three days and then goes to heaven, which he knew was going to happen anyway.
Mere mortals on the hand have endured years of torture for their beliefs(frequently at the hands of the church).
Now if jesus had offered to take the place of even one sinner in hell THAT would have been a true sacrifice.
This is nothing.

Exactly Zen. "Hey god, sacrifice your eternal soul. Let Jesus spend an eternity in hell the way you cast everyone else there. In fact, if you'd like I'll die on the cross for the sins of the world if it means I get to spend the next 2000 years as the supreme overlord of the ultimate paradise." Yeah yeah ... big fucking sacrifice.
Meanwhile, what is three days of mild suffering to a dude that can walk on water? I'm thinkin any real deity can, as they say, go painless.

And yet through it all, He continued to love all of mankind, including His tormentors. Amazing!

You sure about that?? It's been over 2000 years and it's starting to look like he may not be coming back Chaddo. Maybe ole Jesus decided to say "fuck you" and simply keep heaven to himself.