Is Easter based on a pagan tradition?

[A_Nony_Mouse]

Bullshit, Mouse.

Wiki gives it sources...the footnote is live and provides a translation of the decree....my Spanish is not good enough to wade through it in the original.

There were Jews in Spain in 1492. Ferdy and Izzy gave them a choice. All your horseshit simply cannot change that.

(4) Therefore, we, with the counsel and advice of prelates, great noblemen of our kingdoms, and other persons of learning and wisdom of our Council, having taken deliberation about this matter, resolve to order the said Jews and Jewesses of our kingdoms to depart and never to return or come back to them or to any of them. And concerning this we command this our charter to be given, by which we order all Jews and Jewesses of whatever age they may be, who live, reside, and exist in our said kingdoms and lordships, as much those who are natives as those who are not, who by whatever manner or whatever cause have come to live and reside therein, that by the end of the month of July next of the present year, they depart from all of these our said realms and lordships, along with their sons and daughters, menservants and maidservants, Jewish familiars, those who are great as well as the lesser folk, of whatever age they may be, and they shall not dare to return to those places, nor to reside in them, nor to live in any part of them, neither temporarily on the way to somewhere else nor in any other manner, under pain that if they do not perform and comply with this command and should be found in our said kingdom and lordships and should in any manner live in them, they incur the penalty of death and the confiscation of all their possessions by our Chamber of Finance, incurring these penalties by the act itself, without further trial, sentence, or declaration. And we command and forbid that any person or persons of the said kingdoms, of whatever estate, condition, or dignity that they may be, shall dare to receive, protect, defend, nor hold publicly or secretly any Jew or Jewess beyond the date of the end of July and from henceforth forever, in their lands, houses, or in other parts of any of our said kingdoms and lordships, under pain of losing all their possessions, vassals, fortified places, and other inheritances, and beyond this of losing whatever financial grants they hold from us by our Chamber of Finance.

Again it is extremely dumb to cite wikipedia for anything. Even with their selected sources the cliques that have taken over certain topics use only the ones that agree with their position.

However in this case a baptized person, no matter what they were before, pagan, Jew or Muslim, becomes a Christian and is no longer what they were before.

IF you do research it you will find another detail of the story. Several thousand were shipped to Lisbon for transport back to North Africa. While awaiting transport the king Portugal ordered forced conversion, i.e. forced baptism. People in those days took it so seriously that the ex-Jews, who lost the free transportation and had to remain as subjects of the Portuguese king, petitioned the Pope to reverse the baptism and let them be Jews again. The pope refused citing the doctrine of baptism being irreversible although the wording was much more "papal" in words and style.

This is not hard to find either. Spain forced no conversions, it was Portugal. Beyond that I do not see "race" in that citation nor the least indication Jew meant other than one who practiced Judaism.

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I think you're talking about two different types of "jews".
Min speaks of jews as the religious group that follows the Torah, or whatever their book is called.
Mouse speaks about the "jew society" which goes beyond the religious group, to encompass a social group made up of people related to those who are in the religious group.... something like that, right?

Go back to the citation. The idea of a person being a "Jew" independent of religion is a late 19th c. invention. It is also a purely political invention of Zionism. As a political invention it is without a functional definition. It is nothing more than mere assertion. And those who refuse to go along with the nonsense hate Jews, a style of attack going back to Josephus. And it was stupid when he wrote it.

There is no "Jew society" that is anything other than religion. Anyone who wishes to tell me any characteristics held in common other than religion by Jews from New York, Iran, Morocco, India, Russia and Israel (among others) have in common is free to enlighten me.

I have to ask if anyone really thinks Moroccan Jews do Russian circle dances, eat German potato pancakes and sing Hava Negilah (sp?) to the tune of Irving Berlin. Moroccan Jews are not Ashkenazi Jews nor are they Iranian Jews nor any other ethnicity. There is nothing uniting these different ethnicities other than religion, period.

The idea of an atheist Christian and an atheist Jew and an atheist Muslim are equally moronic oxen.

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I hope so. Excuse me for using a possessive term for the group I was born into, regardless of whether I left it.

I raised the point because you said "my people" rather than a reference to birth religion. Again I gave an impeccable source, a jewish, Israeli professor of history at TAU. And I happen to not only agree with him, I was making the same points for the same reasons before he published. It is nothing new. It is simply noting Zionist propaganda is illogical and dealing only with that is supported by the evidence.

If Passover began as a spring festival, it bears fuck all resemblance to anything having to do with celebrating the spring, at this point.

And Christmas has no particular relation to celebrating the rebirth of the sun or other Sol Invictus cult practices. That does not negate the connection.

The Seder does not make any passing mention of such, and the entire dinner and ceremony are wrapped up on the Exodus story. Unless my family missed it, there are no extraneous things like egg hunts and chocolate in which to make a nod at pagan ceremonies. Again, I asked the historian on this forum whom I trust to correct me if he knew something different.

As to the Seder no mention of the Sun modern Christian Christmas either.

But as we KNOW the Exodus story is myth it cannot have any connection to any real traditional festival.

The question is if the festival existed before the myth was invented or if a pre-existing myth was adopted and adapted to the myth.

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Mouse speaks about the "jew society"

There was a "jew society" ( I'm guessing this is what he means and hoping for the best from him on this one )

The best is dealing only with the physical evidence and rejecting religious and political propaganda.

in Judaea until 135 and the bar Kochba revolt. There was a significant Jewish enclaves in Alexandria but the culture of the place was decidedly Greco-Roman. Throughout all of this there remained a large Jewish community in Babylon.

As per Josephus Judean and Jew are interchangeable terms having the same meaning. And we know, Jew did not mean Galilean, Samaritan or Idumaean even though popular history claims they and others in Palestine were all practitioners of the Judean Yahweh cult. We also Yahweh is the Egyptian Amun by common characteristics and that the decorative motif of Jerusalem was Egyptian prior to the Hadrian urban renewal.

As to Babylon we lack physical evidence it existed prior to the Bar Kochba revolt unless something new has appeared recently.

All the facts which can and have been established have consequences for everything else. They almost always negate popular religious beliefs and traditions, Christian, Muslim and Jewish alike with an equally sharp three-edged sword.

Jews evicted from Judaea by Hadrian settled in these places and Galilee ( we begin to see synagogues in the archaeological record shortly after this time) as Judaism evolved from a cult based on temple sacrifice to reading their silly book and incessant praying to the rather worthless god who had so singularly failed to protect them. One wonders why they bothered?

It is also very well known that Judeans were not evicted from Judea but only from Jerusalem. There was no "resettling" and no large number of people needing to find a place to live outside the city in the first place.

But it is a silly argument to say that individual groups do not maintain some sense of shared history. We have the example of the gypsies in Europe and even today, the "Palestinians" are a stateless people.... for better or worse.

As essentially all "jews" outside of the concentrations in Judea and Alexandria and possible Babylon were converts to the religion it is also obvious that the myth of there being a common history and the myth of their being a common ancestry are quite easily adopted and quickly fervently believed. Again, see the professor's material. That they are so fervently believed by today's Ashkenazi/Zionist cult as opposed to the Khazar conversion it a very obvious example.