(April 17, 2013 at 4:32 am)cato123 Wrote:(April 17, 2013 at 3:36 am)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: However in this case a baptized person, no matter what they were before, pagan, Jew or Muslim, becomes a Christian and is no longer what they were before.
Louse,
What a very stupid thing to say.
Imagine me shoving a huge dildo in your mouth, strapping you in a wheelchair, and pushing you between pews to a man in a funny hat that says a few words and sprinkles water on your head.......poof, you're a Christian. Doesn't matter what you were before, you've been baptized. This is your argument, isn't it? You've been baptized. Be damned what you think or want, the deed is done. Despite what you were before, you are now a Christian because of the ritual of baptism.
Imagine you not being so crudely vulgar and exercising common civility in this and any future exchange.
My argument is in the meanings of the words when used in the context of the time they were used.
In the good old days pouring water over a forehead made one a Christian just as much as taking an induction oath make one a soldier today. Those were the rules, period. One cannot apply modern meanings and contexts to other times and places.
I remind you of the petition of the ex-Jews to the pope. If they did not share the same idea why the petition?
Just to blow your mind the first Inquisition in Spain was a century before the famous one. It used the same methods and penalties. It was used by the rabbinical Jews to root out and eliminate the Karaite Jews. Of course Israel Shahak may have made it up.
