(April 25, 2013 at 2:31 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: Amusing as some of this was its riddled with fallacies. I hope you haven't mistaken my use of the word "ignorant" as an insult. It's true of all of us as a description of our KNOWLEDGE of such things as Gods. I'm not sure which word you conflated with me admitting I'm a baby, but I assure you I'm not! By the way, I'm from Frisco! Not far from you!
More people throwing around 'fallacy'? TIBERIUS: give these people a logic school. They appear to be in desperate need of it. Bonus points if it ends with every one of them screaming 'you're racist!'.
Anyway, I hope you haven't mistaken your possessing knowledge to be anything more than ignorance. I could nanny you into understanding why I made the word choice I made, but I prefer to let children explore the world, and come to their own conclusions.
Quote:Lets cut to the chase, eh? It's not my intention to insult you and we could spend all day disagreeing on what constitutes knowledge and the differences between probable and possible and the similarities between faith and irrationality. We shouldn't have to, but none the less, this exchange shows we most certainly would. At any rate, to avoid any further misrepresentations of each others views...
Insult schminsult, irrelevant. We probably couldn't spend all day disagreeing upon what constitutes knowledge, given how I'd accept your definition of knowledge under the notation that it's not what I'm arguing, then invent a new word to explain what I am arguing. It'll probably be 'Tusfencain'.
Probable and possible, the first is a likely possibility, the latter is only that it can happen.
If faith is irrational, we are all irrational.
Rather, we should have to... given that we're subjective beings and all.
Quote:What's your claim? Describe to me the God you think is possible, and perhaps why I or anybody else should agree from a logical standpoint.
I think many gods are possible... since the world came into being yesterday and everything you even know (including logic) is wrong. Using logic on gods is very shortsighted, as it pigeonholes them into an existence as we might be able to understand it.
That said, what's a logical standpoint worth? You don't use it for science [i](you take it on faith under the weight of evidence you have also taken on faith)[i], and you don't use in when plotting your route somewhere (also faith)... really, I don't see how anyone logically accepts anything. They might use logic as their reasoning behind their acceptance of a thing, but it is ultimately faith which bridges the gap between acceptance and nonacceptance.

Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day