If Not Hell then what?

[Ryantology]

Maybe because you're not God. See this is what happens when you deny God. You start to think you can take His place by making yourself into your own god. You're really pathetic.

You have more proof that I am the omniscient creator of all things, because while we make the same claims, I obviously exist. You take an enormous risk by not worshiping me. Can you prove that I am not the creator of all things, and all-powerful? If not, then you are just making an ass of yourself.

That Is What Moraltiy IS!!! It is a seperation from God's Absolute unchanging righteousness. Meaning because we can not live up to God's standard of right and wrong we make our own. at first it is slightly different and the longer we stay away from God the worse it gets...

I agree with you. Separating one's self from God's idea of right and wrong is what morality is. That is because God's standard of right and wrong is so ridiculously twisted that it is worse, lower and more debased than the moral standard of the worst human imaginable.

Your god's opinion of right and wrong is just his opinion. I don't share it, and I don't share in his conceit. His righteousness is no higher or more absolute than mine. And that's giving the fucker a lot of credit.

Everyone has a version of Morality apart from the righteousness of God. The only difference between believers and those who hate God is a believer is willing to admit his version of 'righteousness' is a perverse standard good for nothing more than justifying the sins he is willing to live with. Thus prompting him to ask for forgiveness. While the person who hates God tries to use his self righteous standard to make it immoral to worship a god who does not humble himself to the will and morality of the people he has created.

You sound like the Aflac duck in real life, don't you?

In this case might makes right. God holds the keys to eternal life and death in His hands and has set forth a standard in which we have to live by or find attonement for.

I see. So, if I am stronger than you, I have the right to do anything I want to you, because my might makes me right and your weakness makes you wrong. That means that I am right and God is wrong, since I am more powerful than a non-existent being. Lucky for you, I'm such a nice guy.

You personally? No. My pride and self righteousness/'morality' would have gotten the better of me.

Then, you just need to A/S/K me a little harder. Obviously, you're doing it wrong.

Why? Because your morality/Self righteousness has told you that no one should have absolute dominion over any other being... Which is one of the defining characteristics of God. (A being with abolute dominion over everyone and everything)

That is subtly different from what I am saying. If there is a being with absolute dominion over everything, then that is that. I would no more argue this is immoral than I would argue that it is immoral that a star has the power to destroy me.

Even if I was to go along with your nonsense and say that there is an omnipotent, omniscient god who created the universe, that itself is not a problem. I argue this point because it's a claim with no evidence, not because I find the idea inherently negative. What my self-righteousness tells me is that power comes with responsibility. The reason I find your god repulsive is because your god is irresponsible and abusive and relishes in hurting, killing, and controlling people and all of it is entirely unnecessary (an omnipotent being does NOTHING unless it is to get a specific result), so he is doing it because he likes it. When a child starves, and dies in agony, it is because God explicitly wants that child to suffer. When a woman is raped, it is because he desires it to happen. All a part of the plan, right? Free will doesn't matter. When an infant is raped and dies choking on the rapist's condom, that is not the infant's free will. That is your god's will. He is guilty of either not acting to step in and save a defenseless child, or of intentionally provoking its death.

But, I forgot, I'm wasting my time explaining this to you. If God wants a child to die choking on a rapist's condom, that rape was a good and righteous action, according to you.

That I do not dispute, so long as you can live blind, deaf and dumb to everything outside of what this life currently has shown you.

Just one god out of thousands, remember that. I'm not impressed. I see nothing about your claims which sounds more reasonable than what wiccans or Hindus claim.

Would you still want this 'oblivion' if it meant 1000 years of Helll fire? 10,000? a Million? Billion? Trillion? 1/2 of eternity? How long would you endure Hellish torment, for this oblivion you currently seek?

As long as it takes. Only a coward can be threatened into loving someone.

They did not have bible verses, They simply came to me with insistance. When I presented them with bible verses that would have me stand by my wife, and asked them to provide scripture to support their actions, the elders simply said this is how we do things at this church... Then they went on to justify their authority in leadership at the church (constructing an arguement similar to why the pope has power in rome) then they told me to goto a sister congergation who was better 'equiped' to help people like us. that is what I did.

I asked, which of you was right? You didn't answer that question. What you did was decide you didn't like their answers and went somewhere where everyone agreed with you. Talk about self-righteous.