(April 30, 2013 at 8:42 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: umm.. that's not how things work. When Star Wars fanatics talk about characters in the film, it might sound like they are "assuming" they're real... but that's just what you do; you simply talk about the characters like you would with anything else, whether real or not. Therefore, to say that the OP has brought your god into existence is nonsensical. Do you think smax believes that himself? No. Just like we can talk about Luke Skywalker and what "he did", but he isn't real. In other words, show me the money. Hypothetical money doesn't buy you anything.
No, that is absolutely how it works, smax used language that is only meaningful if God existed (you cannot ask how someone knows if someone is not dead without assuming that person was at one point living). The bigger problem here is that smax asked a nonsensical question, it’d be like asking, “How do you know that squares do not really have 5 corners?” Well because by definition squares cannot have five corners just as by definition God cannot die. If you want to ask how we know God exists then fine, but asking how we know God is not dead is absurd because by definition God cannot die. The original question was illogical. What you’re trying to do is nothing more than the fallacy of the bait and switch.
Quote:Again, wrong. I stand by my objection until you accept believers of other faiths is evidence of their god's existence OR you concede that your reasoning is illogical.
You’re wrong again, there is no Muslim doctrine that a person can only believe in Allah if Allah is applying saving grace to that person; so if Allah ever existed the existence of Muslims would not prove he still existed. However, the existence of Christians does prove that Yahweh is still living. This thread is about Yahweh though, so bringing up Allah is the fallacy of the red herring.
Quote:A nice addition to the concept, but you're far from showing it exists.
The point of this thread was not to prove God exists, it was to prove that God is not dead (which presupposes living which presupposes existence). You’re merely trying to now move the goalposts because the theists blew this thread up with such little effort.
(May 1, 2013 at 3:14 pm)smax Wrote: And maybe the reason the Christian god hasn't been doing anything lately, and is so long overdue, is because he actually got his divine ass kicked by another god like Thor.
Thor doesn’t exist.
Quote: Why didn't I think of that one during my OP?
Apparently, it’s because you were not thinking much at all when you wrote the OP.
Quote:You gotta love the religious man's reasoning:
…only if you love rationality, but not many atheists actually do this day and age.
Quote: "God must exist because we do."
Bingo.
Quote: But the following deduction is absurd:Yes, but that doesn’t prove the one above that is also absurd, God is a non-contingent being, humans are contingent beings (and are contingent upon God’s existence, so if Humans exist it logically follows that God must also still be living).
______ must exist because god does.
Is it possible for God to be dead but to never have existed in the first place?