Statler Waldorf Wrote:No, that is absolutely how it works, smax used language that is only meaningful if God existed (you cannot ask how someone knows if someone is not dead without assuming that person was at one point living). The bigger problem here is that smax asked a nonsensical question, it’d be like asking, “How do you know that squares do not really have 5 corners?” Well because by definition squares cannot have five corners just as by definition God cannot die. If you want to ask how we know God exists then fine, but asking how we know God is not dead is absurd because by definition God cannot die. The original question was illogical. What you’re trying to do is nothing more than the fallacy of the bait and switch.
I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. "By definition" does it mean within this thread I'm technically a Christian because I can make statements about your obviously real and existent god as if I believe in it? No, of course not, just like I can say Darth Vader is Luke's father without actually believing this is a truth about reality. In short, those that don't believe your claims/beliefs are able to communicate with you via granting a hypothetical environment for their arguments to reside in. This isn't the same as believing in your god, which you think it is the case.
Quote:You’re wrong again, there is no Muslim doctrine that a person can only believe in Allah if Allah is applying saving grace to that person; so if Allah ever existed the existence of Muslims would not prove he still existed. However, the existence of Christians does prove that Yahweh is still living. This thread is about Yahweh though, so bringing up Allah is the fallacy of the red herring.
Muslims do better than that. They claim everyone is born a Muslim. People exist, not just Muslims, but people, therefore Allah exists.
You don't like this reasoning? Then you don't have any justification to accept that existent belief in the Christian god means the Christian god exists. No red herring here, just simply playing by your special-pleaded logic.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle