RE: The Case for Theism
May 11, 2013 at 11:04 am
(This post was last modified: May 11, 2013 at 11:15 am by The Reality Salesman01.)
(May 11, 2013 at 10:48 am)Love Wrote:(May 11, 2013 at 9:32 am)Texas Sailor Wrote: Would you care to put forth an argument to illustrate that this is an incorrect assessment?
I have already done that. I pointed out that his argument is a logical fallacy and is, thus, ultimately invalid. An existential argument for the existence of God, for example in the form of a rational discussion, bares no relevance to moral philosophy, but rather epistemology — or more specifically existential/epistemological apologetics. Making a case for murder would ultimately be encapsulated within the conceptual framework of moral philosophy; murder is a moral issue, not epistemological.
I'll give you that. But I think you've over thought it. Sometimes the most simple interpretation is the one that applies. In society we have rules and definitions acts that constitute crimes. Defending yourself from an accusation of murder and making a case for murder, are two completely different things. Here is where the disconnect lies. Do you agree? Such as making a case for rape? or making a case for child molestatioin? Do you agree that the word "case" in this context bears a different application?
(May 11, 2013 at 11:04 am)Texas Sailor Wrote:(May 11, 2013 at 10:48 am)Love Wrote: I have already done that. I pointed out that his argument is a logical fallacy and is, thus, ultimately invalid. An existential argument for the existence of God, for example in the form of a rational discussion, bares no relevance to moral philosophy, but rather epistemology — or more specifically existential/epistemological apologetics. Making a case for murder would ultimately be encapsulated within the conceptual framework of moral philosophy; murder is a moral issue, not epistemological.
I'll give you that. But I think you've over thought it. Sometimes the most simple interpretation is the one that applies. In society we have rules and definitions acts that constitute crimes. Defending yourself from an accusation of murder and making a case for murder, are two completely different things. Here is where the disconnect lies. Do you agree? Such as making a case for rape? or making a case for child molestatioin? Do you agree that the word "case" in this context bears a different application?
His analogy does have merit here. He has made a distinction between the two applications of the word "case" that doesn't quite fit the description of the discussion. The subject of the case be it murder, rape, child molestation...etc, is really irrelavant as these things are things that are inherently unjustified (within the social-contract paradigm apart from our opinion of them) and cannot be justified with a case once the act has been classified as such, similarly, the belief in Theism, cannot be justified by making a "case" using evidence because the belief can only be confirmed by the believer's own capacity for faith. These are two instances where a case is not an applicable form of resolution. No case can be made for such a thing, unless you believe you have one that doesn't stem from logical fallacy?
Did I miss where you made a solid argument for the existance of God, I saw that you wanted to clarify that such an argument would be presented in a ratioinal discussion such as this, but I did not see the argument.