RE: Cheney: Obama Lied!
May 19, 2013 at 8:41 am
(This post was last modified: May 19, 2013 at 9:53 am by A Theist.)
(May 18, 2013 at 5:59 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: So I take it you're not going to answer the question in the original post then?It's not Tu quoque if the hypocrisy fits, and it's a perfect fit for your side...and it does seem to be your favorite tactic to scream, "Tu quoque! Tu quoque!", whenever you're caught in your own hypocrisy...
Fine. Are you ready to admit then that Cheney is lying as are all the Republicans who've repeated this Obama-lied-about-terrorism-after-Bin-Laden mantra?
Very well, moving on to your latest round of hey-man-both-sides-do-it-so-stop-picking-on-us. As we've reviewed previously, this is the last line of defense when conservatives get caught being corrupt, abusive, dishonest, etc. The ad hominem tu quoque argument (mingled with a dash of red herring evasion) is a tacit admission of "guilty as charged" while still trying to run cover for the behavior by claiming persecution.
In the first place, these are recognized logical fallacies. Clinton's behavior can't be used to validate the behavior of W or Cheney.
In the second place, the tu quoque argument (once again) completely fails because the comparison isn't valid. Observe your own words:
(May 18, 2013 at 5:27 pm)A Theist Wrote: Hypocrisy pretty much runs rampant on your side...Bill Clinton didn't cheer-lead for the Vietnam War but ...
But nothing. Stop right there.
1. Clinton dodged the draft during Vietnam.
2. Clinton didn't support the Vietnam war.
3. Ergo, Clinton was a conscientious objector to the War in Vietnam.
1. W Bush dodged the draft during Vietnam.
2. W Bush cheered on the war in Vietnam.
3. Ergo, Bush was a chicken hawk on the war in Vietnam.
The two are not analogous.
And here's where you try to prove that Kosovo was completely the same war as Vietnam. Good luck.
Quote:But nothing. Stop right there.
But your leftwing kool aid drinking ass! No...You stop right there...W Bush served in the Texas Air National Guard and was Honorably discharged...aside from leftwing smear and leftwing conspiracy theories and rumor mongering there's no real proof that Bush ever tried to dodge the draft to stay out of Viet Nam...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._B...ontroversy
Quote:3. Clinton was a conscientious objector to the War in Vietnam.
Yeah, Clinton was a conscientious objector when it was his ass going to battle...but he had no conscientious objections to committing others in a war that we had no business being involved in, especially when it wasn't his ass in the line of fire...
Clinton served in nothing...he's a draft dodging coward who led and organized anti-war protests while attending Oxford in England, and while our soldiers were fighting in Viet Nam...Bill Clinton is a draft dodger who used 'Conscientious Objector' as a mask for his cowardice, and then sends troops into action in Kosovo as president when he didn't have the balls to serve in the military when he was called....hypocrisy
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/bill-clinton-draft.htm
(May 18, 2013 at 7:01 pm)cratehorus Wrote:(May 18, 2013 at 5:59 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: The ad hominem tu quoque argument (mingled with a dash of red herring evasion) is a tacit admission of "guilty as charged" while still trying to run cover for the behavior by claiming persecution.
In the first place, these are recognized logical fallacies. Clinton's behavior can't be used to validate the behavior of W or Cheney.
In the second place, the tu quoque argument (once again) completely fails because the comparison isn't valid. Observe your own words:
what have i told you about using big words towards hillbillies?...it's rude and they don't understand..... you only proved your right to the rest of us.... not them
Quote: you only proved your right to the rest of us
should be you're, instead of your...hillbilly....and he only proved that he's been indoctrinated by leftist smear propaganda and leftist rumor mongering...
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