How to shut up people who are against abortion

[pocaracas]

So you think that a woman who aborts should be fined or sentenced to jail or something like that?
In such a legal system, on those "sometimes", she would be at a crossroads and none of the two paths ahead lead to something positive, at least, as far as the eye can see. Either have the child and suffer the consequences, or abort and suffer the consequences.

So many situations can boil down to two paths, neither or which is positive. We don't change the law based on those situations. I'm not really interested in what the punishment should be; it depends on the situation. This discussion is more about the act of abortion.

Interesting...
You just think it's wrong and shouldn't be done, because it's the killing of a human being. I'm with you on that.
I think it's wrong too.
But laws are what shape society.
Should there be a law that prohibits abortion? If there is such a law, then there must be a punishment for disobeying it. What would that be?

A few years ago, in my country in south western tip of the old continent, it was forbidden to have an abortion, except in the cases you mention: medical problems or declared rape with a police report.
The politicians didn't want to get their hands bloodied, so they had a referendum. pro-choice won it and now women have the ability to abort up to the 10th week of gestation.

Before that, the statistics pointed to some 10 thousand illegal abortion per year. Now, we have some 8 thousand legal ones per year... and the illegals became negligible.
Which world do you prefer?

EDIT: ok, I was talking out of memory and got wrong numbers... it seems the legal ones stand at ~15k a year. No one knows the illegal ones prior nor after the legalization, but they know that there are much less women being admitted to hospitals due to illegal abortion complications... although I can find numbers for that either.
EDIT2: Found an estimate for illegal abortions between 20 and 40 thousand in 2003, prior to the new law... it seems they extrapolated this from having about 1000 women admitted into the hospitals for complications in that year.