Homosexuality is a sin? Well, Xtians, what about these other 76 things?

[Drich]

So, when you do not do what God would have you do (i.e. killing bratty children or people who don't take Saturday off), you do not love God.

Show me where we as Christians are to kill anyone. Book Chapter and Verse please.

If your are asking were the OT Jews commanded to do such things, the answer was yes. Not as a matter of love but as a matter of obediance, as the dynamic of their relationship was not based on love/doing your best. Their righteousness was the righteousness of the pharasees that Jesus spoke of in Mt 5. It was based on the law, and their adhearance to it.

That is why Christ told us we must exceed the righteousness of the Pharasees, thus changing the paradyme from following the rules to seeking a state of grace.

The law continues to this day according to Matt 5.

Indeed it does but as the passage in gal says it is not there to follow. it is there to show you like the rest of us are in perpetual sin and can not ever hope to obtain righteousness through following the letter of the law. This should make those who seek God, look for another way to obtain the righteousness needed to enter Heaven.

And, the fact that the law carried so many gruesome penalties means that it was certainly not just to be demonstrative.

Which is why Jesus died on the cross for your sins. He took the 'gruesome penalities' that were slated for you (potentially) upon Himself. He was punished so you don't have to be. (pending one condition; that you accept His sacerfice, and follow 2 simple rules. Love the Lord your God with all of your being, and love your neighbor as yourself.)

It is a bad law because it does not explain or justify itself. I know that you don't think God has to explain or justify himself to anybody, but it's a bad law nonetheless for lacking it. It's nothing but the arbitrary whims of a capricious tyrant. The law serves only to make people do what God wants, which is obviously a lot of death and killing and misery and pointless restrictions.

This may have been true 2000 years ago, but again as the passage i left you intdicates, the laws only purpose now is to show you that you are in sin and need to seek attonement for said sin.

The character of Joffrey from Game of Thrones shows exactly the same sort of behavior as God in the Bible, only Joffrey never pretends that he's a good guy.

Maybe my version of Game of thrones is different than yours... In that geoffrey only pretends to be a 'good guy' and hates it to the point of killing someone when they find out who he really is.

..Which has nothing to do with anything being discussed here.

And you mean to say this means that Jesus really didn't mean it when he insisted that everybody follow the law to the letter and not violate a single commandment, nor instruct anyone else to do so? You never seem to address that.

Mat 5:

17 “Don’t think that I have come to destroy the Law of Moses or the teaching of the prophets. I have come not to destroy their teachings but to give full meaning to them.

In this passage Chirst says He is not here to invalidate the Law of the prophets. He is here to complete or to give a better understanding to them. This not only includes the thou shalls and the thou shall nots. This also includes the laws pertaining to attonement for sin. (Keep this in mind)

What is attonement? In most cases it was a blood offering or a burnt offering put in place by God to absolve one of minor transgressions. The major sin required the death of the sinner.

This is why after Christ no one need die or be put to death.

18 I assure you that nothing will disappear from the law until heaven and earth are gone. The law will not lose even the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter until it has all been done.

Again all of the law still applies. This includes the Moral law, the Civial law, and the cermonial law. To break these laws is still a sin.

19 “A person should obey every command in the law, even one that does not seem important. Whoever refuses to obey any command and teaches others not to obey it will be the least important in God’s kingdom. But whoever obeys the law and teaches others to obey it will be great in God’s kingdom.

This may seem like a bad thing if you did not know what 'least and greatest in the Kingdom means.'
Mat 11:11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

20 I tell you that you must do better than the teachers of the law and the Pharisees. If you are not more pleasing to God than they are, you will never enter God’s kingdom.

This is the part I have been trying to explain. The pharisees were the most law abiding (down to the smallest letter/What most of you think christianity should be) They did everything humanly possiable to follow the law. But according to Christ their hearts were corrupt. It was their hearts that would condemn them. For the rest of Mat 5 Christ tells us that in His completion of the Law that the law not only covers your actions, but your inner feelings/wants and desires. Which makes us all guilty of the most heinous sins. (The Major sins requiring death under the law.)

That is why Christ said if you hope to enter heaven you mustt seek a Righteousness (Or state of being the God finds acceptable for entry into Heaven.) Greater than that of the pharisees. Read the rest of Mt 5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=ERV

Christ in this passage makes the law an obstical so great that no one can get around it. (Like a massive mountain) Unless less you have the faith of a mustard seed. Then Christ tells us if you tell this mountain to cast itself into the sea and it will. Meaning with faith in Him, the obstical of the law moves aside.

Again not that it does not apply as all who have not or will not seek attonement will find out on the day of their judgement. It's just those who believe in Christ are not held to the standard of the Law as a means to their righteousness. But again that does not mean 'we' can accept Christ in order to sin more. For this whole relationship is to be based on love. If we love God we will do our best to keep his commandments.

The passage Means exactly what it says as a whole.
I honestly do not know if you do not understand the whole concept or simply refuse to look at any more of the passage than what you need for your argument. The Law Jesus did not come to abolish is all still in effect this includes the do's and don'ts, but it also includes the caviots for atonement of sin. In the Law there is a way for sin to be atoned for. Christ's atonement covers all sin. This does not mean that the law is null and void. This means your sins are forgiven as long as you are loving God with all that God has given you to love and worship Him. That means salvation becomes about complete love and devotion no matter what that might look like as long as it is 100% complete effort on your part, and it ceases to be about law and loop holes, and outward showings/going through the motions of religious practices with no feeling, want or desire.

So, what happens when God judges you and sees that you made absolutely no effort whatsoever to even try to hold to most of his law? You didn't kill your unruly children. You didn't stone homosexuals. Your wife went to church a week after birthing a daughter. What is your atonement even worth when you don't actually even try?

Again not contradictory, you have taken 1 verse out of a bank of 5 expounded on the one verse's meaning and have ignored the rest of the passage for the sake of your argument. whether you do this out of ignorance or obstinance is of little concern to me, because at this point you have been exposed to the truth several times. What you do with it is up to you.

It really isn't contradictory, until you attempt to interpret that particular passage as not meaning what it very clearly says in multiple translations. Even if you can be forgiven in spite of failing to live up to the law, if you're not even trying to live up to it (and no decent human being would), on what basis do you think God is going to forgive you? Do you think he's going to look at the fact that you're so sanctimonious and preachy and think that makes up for your complete contempt for his laws? That is why I keep bringing this subject up. I know that following the law is not necessary by itself to go to heaven, but Jesus does expect everyone to follow it, and it's obvious that God takes your adherence to the law into account when he decides how sincere you are about loving him. And, if that's true, you're just as fucked as I am.

Romans 2
14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them

I have to admit that this passage makes no sense to me.
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Do you have any evidence that homosexuality will lead to this?

Pop culture, and the decline of this soceity in just 2 generations

And if the OT still applies, can't we just sacrifice some animals to atone for sin?

The blood of animals only covered minor sins. Things like violating the sabbath day, blaspheme, and adultry would demand death.

And after what Christ said/did in matthew 5 just the want to do any of those major sins would also demand death.

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]The degerdation of the family leads to the down fall of soceity.

Indeed. This is why we should be encouraging more homosexual couples to foster and adopt children and save them from the care system. More happy families = a happy society!

Or a "Gay" soceity.



Get it? Happy/Gay???