Pope Francis defends atheists

[ThomM]

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Well that comes down to 5 questions:
Did he exist?[/quote] Yes

1 -Sorry - No - there is NO proof of his existence - we have not a single document that can be dated to his supposed time that even mentions his name. Even the bible of the dead sea scrolls does not. Just saying "yes" without supporting your answer is NOT an answer

If there was no Adam and Eve and all that Jazz, where did original sin come from?

Begs the question. You have not established Adam and Eve did not exist.


2 - Actually - humans existed LONG before the approximately 6000 years ago story of Adam and eve - so the story of them being the first humans is false. And - as we note - no xtian has even provided proof beyond circular reason (THe bible was written by the religion) that they did exist - there is no reason to believe they did otherwise.

In fact - even the major sects of christianity - representing over 75% of all christians accept that humans evolved from other animals on earth
pope Benedict said this

"According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the 'Big Bang' and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5–4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth,"

NOTE _ IT IS VIRTUALLY CERTAIN THAT ALL LIVING ORGANISMS DESCENDED FROM THIS FIRST ORGANISM

ANd we have similar statements from the Anglican church and others.


3 - Once you accept that the story of adam and eve is myth - which even the religions say it is - the basis for original sin is lost. However - even the bible says that we are not responsible for the sins of our fathers - Isiah - which contradicts the story of original sin as well - ONLY eve committed that one - in the fairy tale


4 - Without being responsible for the original sin - which is a fairy tale anyway - no need for a sacrifice - the christ is just another part of the myth - and as I noted above - has no proof of existence outside of religious documents that are already proven to be in error on many things.

5 - As far as the last claim - since it actually never happened - no one has EVER proven the existence of a god - or the existence of the christ - it is a moot point

WHen YOU can provide proof of the existence of your god - by all means post it. Any other response supports our position