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Pope Francis defends atheists
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RE: Pope Francis defends atheists
Quote:Try to remember that there is not a single contemporary first century reference to your godboy among all the jewish and Greco-Roman writers of the first century.

Since you won't read The New Evidence that Demands a Verdict. I have to answer your accusation from sources he cites:
Josephus A Jewish historian
The earliest description of Jesus outside of the Gospels is found in Josephus' (37 CE - circa 100 CE .) Jewish Antiquities.
http://josephus.org/ CHAPTER 3, paragraph 3

3. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, (9) those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; (10) as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.

Cornelius Tacitus c AD 55-120 A Roman historian
Writng about the six-day Great Fire of Rome that burned much of Rome in July 64 AD.[3]
The key part of the passage reads as follows:
"Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind".
Tacitus then describes the torture of Christians.

Lucian of Samosata (125 A.D. and died not long after 180) A Greek historian"The Passing of Peregrinus”
Lucian was not a Christian, nor was he known to be particularly religious. Lucian apparently thought of Christians as being naive, unsophisticated, larval communists:

“They [i.e., Christians] scorn all possessions without distinction and treat them as community property. They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time.”

“The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day—the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account. … You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains their contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws. All this they take quite on faith, with the result that they despise all worldly goods alike, regarding them merely as common property.”

Quote:Your miracles are too ancient.
Is this miracle recent enough?
Blessed Pope John Paul II.
Vatican investigates second John Paul II miracle
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/201...i-miracle/
Here are some you could see with your own eyes if you want:
The incorruptible bodies of long-dead saints.
http://paranormal.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=...tibles.asp

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Pope Francis defends atheists - by CleanShavenJesus - May 23, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RE: Pope Francis defends atheists - by Drich - May 23, 2013 at 9:38 pm
RE: Pope Francis defends atheists - by Ryantology - May 23, 2013 at 10:18 pm
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