Explain to me the math behind redemption

[The Grand Nudger]

Ok...don't get stuck on "ghosts". There is no magic here.

-said the catholic before immediately resuming the ghosts and magic narrative.....

For me, the connection came after that enlightenment. Explaining my process is exactly that! "My process." And that is the problem Christians have in finding common ground w/ Atheists. Even with each other!

Yet we both exist in a shared reality. If you cannot explain this principle from the basis of our shared reality -and must instead defer -over and over to ghosts and magic (all the while trying to distance yourself from it..apparently) then I'd say that's the problem. Not that you can't explain your "method" but that you can't seem to establish that you have one to begin with. Let me make this as simple as possible. You have mentioned that you had the same concern as I did? Correct? What did this ghost tell you/insert in you - whatever- that made scapegoating okay one moment, when the moment before it was not?

Then I'm not explaining "anything" at all for you?

To be completely honest, sometimes I think you're not actually trying to explain anything to me.....

If for a just a second... you could see death as a necessity for life to begin?

I can, and do see death that way - but what that has to do with scapegoating is something that you're going to have to flesh out here.

As [the means] for something much, MUCH better!

I could very plainly see that if you could show me who was using it as such- in the manner you describe. So rather than pleading with me to "see"...why don't you just show me?

Your decision is based on what you think is a horrible way to show love.

My decision is based on "whatever way" God wants to show His love.

If the blood of Christ will save me...then drench me in it! Amen!

This is precisely the reason that all of your analogies about parents -including this one (that I snipped out for brevity)- fail to maintain their integrity with me. The parent does not demand the child love them on the parents own terms.....nor does the parent demand that the child accept their love in whatever way the parent deems appropriate. Nor would the parent punish the child for failing to adhere to either of those two arrangements above. I find it more than a little bit horrific that you can equate being drenched in the blood of another -for your own inequity- as love, or salvation. Understand?

I'll repeat -If the blood of christ could "save" me...I'd rather not be saved. It sounds, to me, like the blood of christ is more appropriately damnation- condemnation for having willingly accepted - and perhaps even praised- the act of scapegoating- as a means to heal your very soul.