Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already

[Mystical]

You'll just have to forgive us if we tire of having the same conversation over and over, only to have a new Christian come along and say, "Hi, what do you all think of this argument for Jesus..." and the exact same canned drivel ensues. And everyone groans, facepalms and thinks "not this crap again".

If you want thoughtful discussion on the historicity of Jesus and the Gospel tale, you might peruse this debate between me and one of the faithful. Feel free to chime in if you can find what your brother in Christ missed. I'll even offer to restart the debate if you think you can do a better job.

And then you start into the old canard about "well, without Jesus we have no basis of morality and so anything goes". It may astonish you but we've already examined both the problems of theistic-based morality as well as how secular thinking provides a much simpler and clearer means to understand morality.

So rather than re-hash the same discussions, I'll simply save myself some time and point you to these threads. If you can do a better job at defending your views than your comrades in Christ, you are welcome to try.

Seems reasonable to me.