Pedophilia; I can't accept it.

[Violet]

Violet,

We are simply never going to agree on this.

Well, that's a fine and dandy cop-out.

Society regards paedophilia as wrong - you don't. I agree with society and think you are glossing over the potential for lasting damage to children who are not informed enough on the social aspects to give proper informed consent.

'Society' used to regard homosexuality as wrong. A good number of societies still do. I tend to not agree with <things> simply because <society> says <things>. I think you are glossing over the reality of the various lasting damages dealt to all people regardless of how well informed they might be on any matter at all.

Children aren't a special case by any means, and you've yet to establish a foundation for the special pleading you assume for them.

BTW: I used "prey on" deliberately. Serial child rapists (where the child is fooled into giving consent) are doing exactly that.

Was it deliberate? Well then, maybe you should think about those who don't 'prey upon' others before you make a blanket statement.

Serial child rapists? Because anyone with an interest in having sex with a child is necessarily a person who would force such upon a child, and every one of these people is a serial offender? Maybe a serial child rapist is doing exactly that... but then, maybe this time it's different.

Is not foolish consent still consent? We are all fools, the permission we give for others always is dependent on how well we've been fooled. If we mortal creatures cannot give consent to an incomplete set of data resultant of our very limited perception: we can never consent to anything.

I am interested however in what you might regard as unacceptable. How about a 45 year old man with a 6 year old boy? Do you think the boy can give his consent? Is it better,worse, or the same thing if its a 6 year old girl? Are there circumstances where you think it might be acceptable?

I sincerely doubt that first claim

Haven't you been listening? Age is irrelevant: the ability to communicate consent given, on the other hand, is. The ability to consent, also, is. If a given 45 year old man is able to communicate his consent to the 6 year old boy: yeah, the 6 year old boy can fuck him without any issue from me.

He probably can, by six. But you know: he could be retarded. Exactly the same with a six year old girl, except she might be wanting a strap-on dildo. Maybe.

Many.

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I think that she is looking to argue and getting off topic. I also agree that none of us are going to change our minds.

Talking about pedophilia in a pedophilia thread is getting off topic?

Now that last bit is just plain ignorant. You know everything, do you?

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Max, I totally and completely agree with everything you just said. I was trying to come back from the sock that violet thinks a 13 year old has the same physical maturity as an adult. That is just...blind.

So... you can't read. Which is cool: can. Important keyword, followed by some examples of where it is true. In particular: cloning. Never let it be said that I don't have the foresight to consider a serious issue that's right around humanity's corner... let alone that I am blind XD

I feel like she is just trolling now. I think she is just looking to argue and whatnot instead of actually converse about the subject.

I haven't trolled you yet, sister... but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't considering it.

How about I make absolutely pointless conjecture that you're only here to <engage in some ridiculous behavior> for a change? Would I get a kudos for it? Don't I wonder.

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Just to add as I forgot to comment on this:

" it's if she thinks she's ready to have sex with someone."

Or, if she can be persuaded to think that she is ready, which is where the whole scope of abuse and potential for it comes in.

Huh, so every case of courting ever is an abuse case. Fascinating. I'll have to tell my children that dating is abuse.

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Savannahw,

Thanks - but I really don't think Violet is trolling - I think we are talking at cross purposes. I can fully see that a 13 year old could be ready for a sexual relationship and would feel frustrated at being restricted. On the other hand I think that would be an uncommon 13 year old and as I would guess the majority are not....

You're not very familiar with teenagers, are you?

I don't have to guess... just saying.

I wonder what Violet thinks of the minimum age for driving a car? I swear I could have done that at 7...

I don't think there should be a minimum age for a license to drive a car (or for anything, actually)... I also DO think that the testing you must undergo to obtain a license (for anything) should be SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult, and that rules on driving under the influence should be much more rigidly enforced.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs

I was driving cars sans-license when I was 7. I am still driving cars and heavy machinery without licenses when the need arises. I usually argue against putting me in that position, though.

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If one is going to be honest, after all, one's reproductive organs inform us exactly when we are ready for sex. I believe that teenagers who have already been through puberty are perfectly capable of handling sex and giving consent as well as any adult.

Well, they give us a heads-up that they're probably ready for sex. Even those who haven't gone through puberty can still have a good time with sex, and they can be quite ready for it.

Really, if two people agree to the doing of an activity together (that isn't murder or some shit): who am I to tell them that they aren't allowed to do it? Don't get me wrong: I'm totally okay with having our line of consent drawn at something which actually does have some relevance (the start of puberty), and many cultures before me have also done the same... I am, however, interested in *precisely what* the line should be drawn at in a setting where we're able to find out perfectly (the science!).