(June 10, 2013 at 4:18 pm)cneron Wrote: As I'm sure has already been pointed out, morality has nothing to do with religion. Most of us here are atheists, and many of us are moral. Furthermore, laws---in the U.S., anyway---bear little resemblance to the prevailing religious dogma of the land. For example, abortion is not illegal, but stoning disrespectful children (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) is. Religion as a moral compass was responsible for the bombings of Eric Rudolph, the murder of Dr. John Britton by Paul Hill, and the September 11, 2001 terror attacks. Religion doesn't make anybody moral, including you, I'd be willing to bet. You're telling all of us that if God didn't exist you'd be out there raping and murdering and stealing, right? Thanks for sharing, and stay out of my neighborhood.
Religion has already "died out" for most of us here, and science may or may not have had anything to do with it. That's a Straw Man argument. Science can never sufficiently demonstrate to the desperate and deluded that God doesn't exist. It isn't even trying to; it's a tool used by those of us who actually care about the reality of how things work in the world. Since you obviously don't care about that, you reject science (or think you do, anyway---except when you're sick, of course, or use a computer, etc.).
There will always be atavistic dingbat Godders, like Civil War re-enacters, who cling to the bullshit of the past. Good for you, whatever. But the rest of us live in the real world, so we'd appreciate it if you stopped opposing stem cell research, disputing evolutionary science with fairy tales and hindering access for poor women to cheap gynecological exams and mammograms (Planned Parenthood does more than provide abortions; the one in my town doesn't provide them at all, but there are always a few self-righteous cretins protesting out front anyway).
First of all prove to me the verses you gave means what you say.
If you can't then I guess we can disregard the rest of you statement.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.