RE: proof of end times?
November 29, 2008 at 3:17 pm
(This post was last modified: November 29, 2008 at 3:30 pm by Psalm 23.)
(November 29, 2008 at 2:50 pm)Ace Wrote: Yes, I cannot disprove god, just as you cannot disprove santa claws. You can believe something that can very well be wrong. Evidence is greatly important. Without it, all we'd have is stories with nothing to support it.I know my faith in the Christian God could be wrong, but I haven't had any reason to think otherwise.
Quote:I will not turn away from science and into superstition all because someone mentioned it. I need evidence of god. if there is none then I will dismiss the claim as false.No one is asking you to turn away from Science and believe the bible. If you notice most of my arguements are based from, "I don't know, and neither do you."
Quote:Like when people kept telling me about ghosts and such. They always mentioned that, it was the ghosts that causes sounds in buildings, well, I looked into science and found other causes and so I dismissed the ghost claims.Modern Ghost hunters are capable of detecting high levels of energy in a room. They believe this energy is actually ghosts. I believe there is a program called, "Ghost Hunters," and they document live recordings of ghosts or spirits.
Quote:Even though we cannot disprove just as you cannot prove, we can dismiss it.You can dismiss the existence of God and or ghosts all you want to, but that doesn't mean these two are non-existent. That means you have no faith. That's all.
Quote:Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.The writers of the bible had the evidence during the time it was being written. Of course a story can easily be questioned 3,500 years later. Heck, that's the easy part.
Quote:You claim, and so it's down to you to prove it. So....evidence pleaseIt's unfortunate I cannot prove God's existence to you. This is the fine line between faith and evidence.
(November 29, 2008 at 2:58 pm)Tiberius Wrote: If Jesus returned to earth I would have a few questions for him, concerning the inaccuracies in the Bible, and why God allows suffering, etc.All of those questions would be answered. What better way than go straight to the horses mouth? Don't listen to 2.1 billion believers because you will get 2.1 billion different reasons and answers.
Quote:But I guess I'd repent and believe. Of course he'd have to prove he was Jesus first. I expect to see him fly down from Heaven, heal amputees, etc.There are several verses in the New Testament where is shows that Jesus healed amputees. Jesus healed the lame so they could walk again, and he also healed an amputated ear. Jesus created an entire human body from dust. I'm sure making an amputated limb reappear would be no trouble.
Quote:So you are rather agnostic about your faith. Thats always good. The question that now arises is why you believe in the God you do and not in any of the others.I wouldn't call it "agnostic." However, I do believe Yahweh is the only true God. But can I prove it? No. I can't.
Quote:Pascal's wager doesn't answer anything. It is a failed wager on why you should believe in Gods. It says that if you believe in God and God exists, you go to Heaven whilst an atheist goes to Hell. If God doesn't exist, nothing happens to either party. At first look, it seems like the believer is the winner. This is not the case, because the wager forgets to mention other gods that the theist doesn't believe in. What if Thor were to exist?I'm not sure if Thor commanded people to a place called 'eternal damnation" if they didn't worship him. I believe Islam and Christianity are the only two monotheistic religions that give a detailed account of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell.
Quote:At the end of the day, the theist has such a low "advantage" over the atheist that it makes the whole wager pointless.Not really because the theist have chosen to worship a God. Where the atheists have erased God completely. It's like the lottery.. you have to play to win.
Quote:It also assumes that you can easily decide to believe in God and mean it, and further, that the God would overlook your dishonesty just because you are claiming to believe when you really don't. According to Pascal, feigning belief is enough to get you into Heaven.I believe God exists, and his Omniscient Mind is aware of that. If I look into the Heavens and say, "God, if you are listening, I want you to answer my prayer." Now, by saying that, does that mean I put my faith in question? Answer, Not really.
Quote:??? Since when were you not allowed to call "bullshit" in debates? The Bible is full of bullshit, and I can show you some very good examples.It's perfectly normal to have an opinion on a book, but to say it's "bullshit" doesn't actually benefit your arguement.
I'm assuming you have thoroughly studied ancient Hebrew and Greek to come to that conclusion?