RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 18, 2013 at 3:44 pm
(This post was last modified: June 18, 2013 at 3:50 pm by Angrboda.)
(June 18, 2013 at 2:50 pm)ideologue08 Wrote:(June 18, 2013 at 2:45 pm)apophenia Wrote: My point being that Hitler having and being motivated by other things besides Christian beliefs and aims does not preclude him as also having been motivated by Christian ones.That's fine and dandy but then you went on to say: Christianity... is quite compatible with, and even consonant with, many motivations which result in palpable evil.
Now, when you say this, are you referring to Christians, or the actual religion Christianity? The former is obviously is true, as with any other group, but if you're arguing the latter, then you'd have to bring some scriptural evidence or a verdict by the papacy/clergy etc. because that's what the religion is based upon. You cannot use Hitler to argue that the actual religion is compatible with "palpable evil", whatever that means. Evil, of course, isn't objectively defined.
This is in and of itself false, and was addressed by my reference to No True Scotsman arguments, as well as about specific viewpoints as to what Christianity in particular is. To cut to the chase, I was hinting at a larger discussion, which, in addition to being far beyond the scope of this thread, is not one about which I have formed definite conclusions. The fact of the matter is that people are influenced and motivated by ideas, and Christianity, beyond specific interpretations of it, is no exception. Beyond that, I don't care to involve myself in further discussion as the issues involved are far broader and more diverse than I suspect you even imagine.
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