RE: What is "FAITH"
June 21, 2013 at 11:10 pm
(This post was last modified: June 21, 2013 at 11:21 pm by deceptive_illusion.)
(June 20, 2013 at 5:26 am)Consilius Wrote: 'Faith' is trust. I argue that it is formed logically, and applied in cases when the outcome is not certain.
Trust is formed based upon past experiences in a relationship. Religion is a relationship with God, which is formed through experiences with him. These experiences are not miracles or revelations, simply subjective encounters of what is good in the world.
So you use faith when you are not sure what will happen, but faith has to build up from memories. It can not be pulled out of thin air.
Also, like you can never KNOW whether or not your friend is going to lend you money, you can never KNOW whether or not God is real. I don't get how people claim to know that there is a God in a religion that preaches faith and doubt, which by definition mean "I'm not sure."
Thanks a lot for your reply, and I have a lot of respect for you for being in this forum!
Anyway, don't you think that these 'relationships' that you mentioned are a bit too subjective in nature. And it's true that we can't know if he exists or not but his dormancy, and the fact that his sentient presence is not needed anymore to govern the world is plainly obvious, so using this argument why can't we conclude that his existence is no more beyond the lore of religion. Also, sorry I digress, I think your interpretation of faith is a fairly sensible one but as i said, it's purely subjective and not something that we can absolutely rely on.
Thanks again for having the tolerance to logically argue, i really wish there were more religious people like you, tolerant and sensible
(June 20, 2013 at 5:34 am)Esquilax Wrote: Faith is the excuse you give that lets you retain belief in a claim without having evidence for it
really well said!! You have totally spoken my mind This is exactly what I tried to convey in the OP, also what do you think is the best way to work around this, when having an argument with a theist. When the concept of Faith kicks in, no further argument can take place, because faith essentially denies absence of proof for god's existence as a valid argument against religion.
(June 21, 2013 at 7:27 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Edna: "have you actually got anything to say Mable?"Lol, what on god's earth is that
Mable: "no Edna"
Edna: (drags on her cigarette)
Mable: (adjusts her bosom)