Exodus International shuts right the hell down.

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If gay feelings simply stopped at just feelings then i doubt we would have very many gay people. The fact that we do suggests that feelings are just a gateway, and some people see that and want to stop before it becomes a problem. Or someone has let it go for too long and it is now out of control and this sort of consuling is their only hope in returning to the family that they love.

Shall I let you in on a secret, Drich? Homosexual attraction isn't some cursed sigil on the heart of every gay man. It's a sexual attraction, the same as any other. The same as heterosexual attraction. The reason we have people having gay sex is the same reason we have people having heterosexual sex; people like having sex. It's a natural instinct.

The issue here is that you are making the gross error of treating homosexual attractions and sex as a problem intrinsically, something that needs to be fought against at all times, or else it's a "problem." I suggest to you that it is not, and that the reason we have so many families troubled by same sex attraction is because we have a culture, influenced by religion, that has enforced heteronormative gender and sex roles and, until quite recently, a mostly violent and discriminatory response to those who break them.

The issue isn't in gay people leaving their families. It's in having a society that forced them into a familial configuration that doesn't fit right in the first place, rather than just allowing them to form one in a way that works for them. The problem is this desperate need of religious groups to preserve their nuclear family ideal, no matter who they need to trample to make that the standard.

Holy crap, are you serious? What about every other red blooded man who has been married for 20 years who has been hit on buy a younger woman? How does any of that sexual want and desire for that younger woman any less valid than a super charged appetite for a sausage fest?

It doesn't, but then, attraction isn't the issue you're objecting to, here. Infidelity is. Being attracted to someone isn't a bad thing, but acting on that attraction outside the bounds of an existing relationship is.

What if my "herto-gene" is telling me have sex with my cleaning lady? Is that ok?

Yes, but if you're married you might want to talk to the missus about it before you go ahead with it. And if she's not into it, keep it in your pants. And if she is but the cleaning lady isn't, same deal. Once again, the problem you're seeing has nothing to do with same sex attraction, but with infidelity.

Or what if I do not find blondes attractive anymore? Or I don't want to be an ass man anymore, what if I want to switch to boobs? Is it ok to switch my wife for one with a smaller ass and bigger boobs? What if my herto gene is screaming for racial diversity? Can I trade my wife for someone with darker skin?

That's between you and your wife. What the hell is wrong with polyamory, anyway?

No, I can't. Why? Because I made a vow to my wife, to put my wants and desires behind her needs, and her well being. These same vows are made by every man married in the sight of God. Sexual appetites change, fact of life. Wedding Vows don't. A gay man should be held to the same standard of accountability as everyone else.

Agreed. But then, there's a difference between developing a craving for, say, redheads, and living in a society that systematically enforces a preconception that your attraction to redheads is different and sinful, and deserving of punishment. There's a difference between finding redheads attractive and being biologically predisposed to only find redheads attractive, and yet living in a society that forces you to hide that attraction and get married to a brunette, whom you can't find attractive, just to keep up appearances.

I agree with you that cheating isn't cool, but you have to admit that the situation is less in the gay man's control than it probably should be. He should get a divorce and be allowed to marry someone he's genuinely attracted to.

Oh wait, you guys aren't keen on either of those things, either...