How do you know God isn't dead?

[Esquilax]

You do not know? Then why do you assume that the behavior of electrons observed yesterday or today will allow us to make predictions about how they will behave in the future? Keep in mind, without this principle, science is impossible.

Really? Without knowing the future, science is impossible? Seriously?

Leaving aside that, what we have is repeatability; we know electrons and protons will behave the same way tomorrow as they do today is because they have behaved this way every day for as long as we've been able to observe and measure them, and the effects of their behavior has been consistent with this since the beginning of recorded history, barring the strange stories of the religious and superstitious.

We don't know with certainty that they'll continue to act that way, but then again, nobody knows that. Nobody knows the future, even in your theology. Only god does, so when you say that you know electrons will continue to behave as they do because they were made by god, you're just wrong; for all you know, your god could have a good reason to upend all the laws of physics tomorrow. Do you know better than your god?

And hey, what about miracles? What was Jesus walking on water, if not a suspension of the physical laws of the universe that you claim to be so consistent because they were god-forged? And all the little tricks and traps of satan?

How do you know they are generally reliable? I missed your demonstration of that.

Demonstrability and adjustment of belief with regards to experiential claims; I can demonstrate the things that I see, and that is proof of their reliability. I can show you my dog, and you'll see my dog. So will the next person I show, and the person after that, and so on. Now, there might be a few memory variations, but they will all have seen my dog, with his black and white fur. What we wouldn't see, is thirty thousand variations on what my dog looks like and does. If a person on the other side of the planet saw my dog, he would see my dog, and not a cat.

And even without my dog present, claiming that I have a dog is a mundane claim that can generally be believed on the basis of reality.

Oh, and doesn't your god trick the senses a lot anyway? Give people visions, speak to them in their heads, stuff like that? What basis does a christian have to trust their senses, when either god or satan can influence them?

Do you not have to assume your memory and senses are reliable in order to claim that you know how the memory and senses function? Wasn’t that knowledge gained through your senses and retained in your memory?

Yes, but solipsism doesn't answer anything. Now, there could be a "true" world that is different from our senses and how we remember it, but what use is it, if we all see it differently to what it is? We could all be seeing an illusion, but that illusion does interact with us physically in ways consistent with our perception of it; why would we assume things to be otherwise, without evidence?

Uncertainty isn't proof of god, and nor is it an admission of being wrong.

It’s a crucial part of my view of reality, which is Christian. The Christian God has promised to uphold His creation in a predictable and uniform manner (Genesis 8), so these sorts of questions do not create problems for Christians. All electrons repel one another because that’s part of God’s uniform governing.

Uniform unless he feels like changing it, you mean.

Besides, that bible quoting thing is circular reasoning.

They’re not very similar though, the concept of Allah undermines our ability to deduce logically, the concept of Yahweh establishes our ability to deduce logically. If Allah existed I’d have the same philosophical problems you’re struggling with above.

So, if god broke his promise to uphold his creation in Genesis 8, would you blame him for it? What's your basis for thinking he never would break that promise? He might have a really good reason to. It might help him save lives. He knows more than you, after all.

The truth is, if your god is literally real then you live in a world in which the physical laws of the universe can be, and have been in the past, altered and changed at the whims of another, who does things based on a perspective that is so vast and beyond our own that his actions can seem nonsensical.