RE: The idea of Fate/predetermination
June 28, 2013 at 3:10 pm
(This post was last modified: June 28, 2013 at 3:28 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 28, 2013 at 1:44 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I think you're looking at it wrongly. When I talk about "not worrying" it does not mean don't concern yourself with the outcomes or think about the situation at all. It simply means don't let yourself become psychologically consumed over what the outcome is going to be. Prepare for the worst, but don't drive yourself nuts from fear that the worst will happen is the sentiment I am trying to convey.
Well, whether or not I have it wrong or right (and I understand where you're coming from) doesn't change the status of the statement. Look at how elaborate your explanation of the statement has become..and how, might i ask you, would the statement stand -by itself- and convey that message? Something being a platitude does not hinge upon how well invested it is -to you- or -to me-.
For reference...
Quote:A platitude is a trite, meaningless, biased, or prosaic statement, often presented as if it were significant and original. The word derives from plat, the French word for "flat." Whether any given statement is considered to have meaning is highly subjective, so platitude is often—but not always—used as a pejorative term to describe seemingly profound statements that someone views as unoriginal or shallow. Examples of statements which could be considered platitudes could be "The power of friendship", "Go with the flow", "Everything happens for a reason", "It is what it is!", "This, too, shall pass", "We need to do what we can do", and "I know! Right?".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platitude
@ Cthulu. My prep is under my control, the weather remains out of my control. Without worrying or considering that which is beyond my control I will be left with very little in the way of guidance or metrics to act upon what -is- under my control. I would expect that a meaningful statement - which is to say..a statement that is definitely not a platitude- would be applicable to such a situation even if you hadn't considered situations like it. I could pick this particular one apart "will be, will be" on much more thorough grounds but I didn't imagine that I would have to in light of such an easy example.
Try this instead...how does one know that whatever one is worrying about is something that simply "will be"?
What sorts of things "will be"?
That "what will be will be" is a vacuous statement, empty repitition. If it will be, of course it will be (and why say it twice, other than our penchant for saying things twice), but whether or not it will be has what again to do with my worry (and an appropriate level thereof), for example?
Even from the standpoint of structure and ability to convey a message it's soup sandwich. Any thing it might be able to convey appears to be entirely an issue of what someone invests it with (and remains unspoken). When you say it to me are you certain I've invested it with the same thing that you have invested it with? How can any similarity be relied upon..or do we have to operate on the mere assumption that it means anything - and that further it means what you seem to think it means (whatever it is). It's textbook platitude, man - in all of the ways that "this ball is red" is not. I appreciate that it can mean something to someone - but I suspect that the words themselves do not convey that meaning (and if we didn't invest platitudes with meaning they wouldn't persist in any case..so it shouldn't surprise us if we -find- meaning in them, regardless of whether or not the meaning is there, in them, as opposed to in our own thoughts -about them-)
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