(July 3, 2013 at 9:42 pm)Godschild Wrote:
Esq Wrote:Here's the thing about arguing with you that drives me- and I suspect everyone else here- goddamn insane; you're so completely sure that your version of what the bible says is true, despite providing us no reason to think that. You're just utterly, brashly absorbed in your belief that whatever you think about the bible is a self evident truth, but outside of your own head, outside of godschild-world, it's not.
I love it, you are beside yourself because I'm confident in what I believe, that I do not change what I believe just to suit you, well I'm sorry you can't handle the confidence I have in what I believe. I rely on God's discernment, I actually could not care what you think about me, you think your opinion about me is what counts, wrong, the only One who counts is God. You need to get over yourself and come to reality before that prideful brain of yours fries itself in self conceit.
Esq Wrote:When you say "read and study," what you really mean is "agree with me without question." Because let me assure you, others here that have read and studied the bible have come to conclusions counter to yours. There are thousands of christian denominations that you're simply not a part of, what makes your interpretation the prime one over theirs? You never tell us; you're quite happy to tell us all what you believe, but like most christians you fall down when it comes to the why, beyond the traditional "god has revealed it to me!" non-answer.
Now you're being stupid, when I say read and study that's exactly what I mean, you're the one who keeps pushing me to see evolution through your eyes. I'm asking that you see what scripture says through a complete study of it, I know you want do it, you're afraid of it, what you should be afraid of is your ignorance of the Bible. I do not argue with other Christians about what they believe unless they are using scripture in a very wrong way. I concern myself with what God teaches me and I share it here. I keep hearing you say that there are thousands of different interpretations of scripture, why don't you list a couple hundred and will go over them, that should not be so hard seeing that you know there are thousands of different interpretations of the scriptures. I mean if you know there are thousands you should be able to remember a couple hundred, right.
Esq Wrote:But you don't want to have that discussion. I can see why: you're a christian, so you're used to having things dictated to you, but that's not good enough here. So you just bullheadedly throw down whatever dictates you like, and if someone dares to disagree, you pull out your standard answer, "I know better than you!" without any apparent need to say why or even how that is.
Just because you know Christians that only learn by listening to a preacher doesn't mean I nor others do not study scripture with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Unlike you I do not bring in others work and ask you to go read it, I give you what I know, from my self, not what someone else wrote. Yep, I'm saying you're to lazy to do it on your own.
GC Wrote:I feel I can make this statement because no unbeliever has proven different.
Esq Wrote:You've always felt that you can make unqualified statements by fiat. This isn't a surprise. I kind of add in a little "unevidenced assertion!" tag to most of your posts in my mind, nowadays.
You have never proven my statements from scripture are not true, you can't, you know nothing about the scriptures. You and the rest go and pick out a few verses that you dislike and try to discredit scripture, what about the rest, you know those things you've never ever read and studied.
Fine ignore God's word presented to you, you'll be reminded of it soon.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.