RE: What is "FAITH"
July 4, 2013 at 8:02 pm
(This post was last modified: July 4, 2013 at 8:12 pm by Bad Writer.)
(July 4, 2013 at 1:18 am)Consilius Wrote: So we owe our morality to a prehistoric group of people? Where did they get their ideas from?
They got their ideas from what they agreed upon to be moral. We do the same thing today.
(July 4, 2013 at 1:18 am)Consilius Wrote: Stoning naughty children? That Bible passage isn't as familiar to me as you think it is.
I'm...sorry? If you don't want to know what it says in the Bible, it's no skin off my back. Actually, I'm of the mind to say that it's best just to skip that whole Bible thing anyway, especially since it's nothing but trouble.

(July 4, 2013 at 1:18 am)Consilius Wrote: Capital punishment is not the same with the crime that is murder. Killing the innocent is something we agree is morally wrong.
I shouldn't even have to remind you that there are different degrees of murder. That's not the point though. Killing is still killing, whether it's labeled as a crime or not. Your own Bible tells you not to kill, and yet, in the same book, there are many passages dedicated to telling you HOW to kill. Face it: murder is moral when we agree that it's moral. Think about it: Japanese Samurai, CIA Assassins, U.S. Air Raids, public executions by guillotine, ethnic cleanings. All of these acts and more are sanctioned by individuals or groups that have no qualms with what is being carried out. They have agreed that it was moral. You can disagree all you want, but even you said "Killing the innocent is something we agree is morally wrong." Yes...we had to agree to that first!
(July 4, 2013 at 1:18 am)Consilius Wrote: Anglo-Saxon duels are mutual, aren't they?
Were they always?
(July 4, 2013 at 1:18 am)Consilius Wrote: We agree that honor-killings are wrong. Why?
We agree. Do the people doing the honor killings agree with you?
The point we are brushing upon is that morality is not a constant in this universe. You can only see morality in the context of what the Catholic Church tells you, and that makes sense to me. I don't fault you for that...your belief in God and his system of morals is why you condemn honor killings. I agree that they're bad, but I condemn them for a completely different reason than you do. That needs to be okay...it needs to be okay to understand that morals are different wherever you look.
Think of it this way: I don't think it's bad that your morals are what they are. I just think it's bad that you got them from the Bible. Same thing if you were a muslim. I could not fuss about what you think is moral and what isn't, but I would only take issue that the source of your morals was the Quran.
(July 4, 2013 at 1:18 am)Consilius Wrote: If morality is not fixed, than that means the morals preached by the Bible were dreamed up over a 2000-year period, endured for another 2000 years, but one day loving your neighbor will be the most despicable thing you can imagine.
It's a little extreme, but that's a valid scenario.