RE: What is "FAITH"
July 5, 2013 at 9:02 pm
(This post was last modified: July 5, 2013 at 9:05 pm by Godscreated.)
(July 4, 2013 at 10:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: Man you're one mixed up dude, one minute it's you Christians have to many opinions, how are we to know who's right, the next minute it's you all sound the same how are we to tell you apart. You sir have some serious problems.
Esq Wrote:So, how do we tell which is the right one?
None are completely correct and if any say they are they have deceived themselves. I've never made that claim, you've made it about me, but I've actually have said I know I'm not right about everything.
GC Wrote:Are you afraid to answer my question? I did not put it behind hide tags so you can easily reread it, I even put it in bold so you can't miss it.
Esq Wrote:I linked to a whole list of christian denominations. Did you not bother clicking on my link again? I put it there because it was easier than physically writing an answer to your (dishonest, logically inconsistent and thoroughly unreasonable) request.
How do you know the doctrinal differences you looked up are actually correct, have you read the doctrinal constitutions of those denomination, or are you relying on others to tell you what they are. Those persons could being deceptive and you would have no idea. You are making claims to which you have not done your home work. Why did you say I was unreasonable, it was you who said you knew of thousands of differences between denominations. I took your word for it and figured you could bring up a few, but it's apparent you do not know the differences. You were making such a deal over denominational differences I thought you might like to go over some, but since you do not forget it.
GC Wrote:Exactly what verses are you speaking of, there are those I have stated are my belief and not that of others and I may not be correct on those, now that we have eliminated those, which verses.
Esq Wrote:Your interpretation of christianity dude. Because there are others, convinced that they are true christians, that disagree with you, possibly on multiple points. It can't have escaped your notice; even individual churches tend to disagree on at least a few points of their divine mandates. That's why you've got homophobic congregations, racist ones, and by contrast entirely accepting ones. You've got evolution-accepting churches and creationist ones. Etc etc.
How can you tell that you've got it right and they've got it wrong?
I go through the scriptures if I'm going to challenge a denominational difference, which I rarely do anymore, most are not important enough to fret over. If I do challenge I will find a verse that makes such a positive statement for or against and go from there to understand those verses that are less clear on that subject. But like I say as long as the denomination goes by scripture on salvation I pretty much do not worry about the rest. I differ greatly on hell and lost salvation as far as the Southern Baptist are concerned, am I correct or are they, maybe.
GC Wrote:The only verses I ever argue here are the ones others bring up, that line is one of your standard lines got anything of any relevance. Yes I allow the Holy Spirit to guide me in the scriptures, if I didn't I would be as ignorant about them as you are.
Esq Wrote:How do you know you're being guided by the holy spirit? How can you demonstrate this to anyone else?
How do you know?
God will reveal in a very clear manner generally through His word what I've asked for, not always though. Sometimes it takes many weeks of study to see the answers, sometimes I get an immediate answer. Like last night I was comparing recorded ancient Assyrian history, to Biblical verses and stories to see how things would match up. I never read or study scripture without asking for God's guidance and revelation. I know when my questions about scripture are answered when many scriptures line up and show truth. Really it's hard to explain how I know when things are revealed as truth, I guess you would need to be in my shoes.
GC Wrote:How is that a threat, you've stated you would rather be in hell than spend an eternity with God, a threat presupposes fear, don't tell me your getting scare of hell at this point in your life, if so I'll stop saying those things to you and say, now maybe you will see the light.
Esq Wrote:No, a successful threat presupposes fear. A threat can be made and still leave the threatened unmoved. And yet here you stand, leering and telling me you think- possibly hope- that bad things are going to happen to me. You are expressing a violent hope for my future, and I don't have to believe it'll happen to be irritated by it.
I've had the same manner of things done to me yet you guys see no problem with that.
I would never want anyone to suffer hell, if I did not care I would not try and show people God's truth, but when you or anyone else belittles me I'm going to get your attention, so when you irritate me expect at some time to hear from me, it's not always the Christian response, but then I'm human too.
(July 5, 2013 at 1:49 am)Consilius Wrote: And Godschild, I'm like your passion an all, but you sound a little condescending. We all have a pretty good idea of what our world is and how to live in it.
Please explain in more detail.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.