What is "FAITH"

[Godscreated]

I did not call you childish...

Ahem...

With that you proved how childish you are, how's that.

Oh...you didn't say that?

Look, to save us time in future posts, please don't call me a liar. I will catch you in the act every time. Do you understand?

Again your being dishonest, you pulled those quotes out of two different posts, the second one came before the first one above.

Yes you were dishonest, I stated the evidence I gave was tangible to me, you did twist it around to sound like I was stating I had proof of God. Most here know I would never say I have proof, I've made the statement many times that I can not prove God to anyone.

Evidence = proof. Saying that you have either is admitting to both. If you have evidence AT ALL, even it's only tangible to you, is still claiming evidence/proof.

How many times do I have to say this before it sinks into that thick head of yours. I say again I have no proof of God for you, why, because you will reject anything I say. The proof I have is between myself and God it was never intended for you, unless you decide to listen to God. Is this clear enough.

Sadly, it's also not real evidence. So...it looks like most here don't know that you say you don't have proof, because you're still claiming proof. Faith is not proof; it's just faith. It's also a dishonest feeling.

You can't prove that statement, it's trash. I never said faith was proof, that comes from you. I've stated how faith is part of the relationship with God that reveals Himself to the believer in knowing His real. You my friend need to read what's written and not what you thinks been written.

If you can't prove god to anyone, then you're contradicting what you just said by telling people to pray and read the scriptures. That's telling people there's a way that god can be proven. Do you not see it that way? If you don't, then you're delusional...again. Let's get rid of your delusions, shall we?

Anyway.

I never mentioned prayer to you, I said read and study. If you do that then God may call you to Him and prayer becomes essential. you're trying to put the horse before the cart, you wanted me to explain some of what I know yet you do not listen in the least. You're after things to argue about, go argue with God if you do not like the way He does things.
Reading, studying and prayer are the only way you will come to know God but, that's not me giving proof I'm only telling you where to go and the approach to take, the rest is between you and God. See the difference there, I hope so I'm getting tired of telling you the same thing over and over.

Let me pose a question to you. Why do you think that I and other people here are asking you for proof? I will reply only to your honest answer of this.

Moving on for a moment.

Because you just want something to argue about, you couldn't care less about what I write, but I do care enough to try, believe this or not it's all up to you.

Calm down and come off the ceiling, I did not assert that you said there was no God, please read carefully and logically reason what's been said, let's try this again. I stated,"prove to me I can't possibly believe in God. Want to try again?

...are you shitting me? This changes nothing, so don't play semantics with me.

I'm not going to prove anything to you that I never claimed, and don't be a stick in the mud about it.

Your claim. Your proof. Not mine.

Are you seriously that dense, why can't you see what was said, I did not ask you to prove there's no God, I already know you can't do that. I ask you to prove I can't believe, this is a simple request, but apparently you're finding it to difficult a task.
Yes! I've claimed God, He's proven Himself to me and you can not prove differently.

By the way, read the next quote of yours where you're asking me for proof of you being wrong. You can try to play this semantics game all day with me, but you're going to lose. Focus on what's important here, please.

I'm not playing at any of this, if you can't give me an answer just say so, forget it it's not worth going through this over and over. I've been focused on what's important, but apparently you believe it's something different, tell me what it is so we can get on with this discussion or we might as well drop the whole thing.

You think what you have to say would discourage me, someone with no proof that I'm wrong, now you're trying to be funny, right.

Bam! Now shove off about this, and don't ask me for proof of stuff I never claimed.

I did not say you claimed I had no proof, I asked you to prove I did not, just like trying to disprove God you can't, you can't do either. Like I said above forget it, it's just not worth the time.

The only ones that are cowards are those who will not open the Bible and investigate, why is it you are afraid of what the scriptures have to say to you?

Who are you to say that I haven't? Bold claim there. Again, the proof is on you to find out whether or not I've studied the Bible to investigate.

Are you beginning to notice the trend here with our little chat?

Yep it's the same thing as with all the others here.
You've showed me no proof that you know squat about the scriptures, you're content to argue circle instead of asking questions about scripture.
There's no burden on me I know much about scripture and learn more every time I open the Bible, God is good about that, even though many times it's about how far I can get away from His will. I can take delight in that even though I see where I err, God says He disciplines those he loves.

Encourage me, really, more like give up what you believe, it's not real, forget it I know without doubt that God is real and is who He says He is. My thoughts are rational, just because you think I'm wrong doesn't make it wrong. I say what I know is the truth, you ignore it and continue to do so because you're afraid to study scripture.

Here it is. Right here. You are making your claim "that God is real and is who he says He is". That's when you are supposed to present evidence to an outrageous claim.

The claim is not outrageous, it is true for me because I know God personally, He is my savior, my counselor, my father. As I said you want to know God you will have to search Him out, I can't do it for you, God did not set it up that way.

Look at it this way: if my neighbor tells me he was abducted by aliens, and his story is corroborated by dozens of other abductees with details in their stories that match his, should I believe him in his outrageous claim, or should I remain skeptical?

Here we go again wanting to assume things, let's deal with the real, real life, is that possible for you.

The answer is to remain skeptical. It's the same thing if I tell you there's a unicorn standing behind me. You answer that you cannot see it. Then I tell you that it's because it's invisible and that you need faith to believe it's there. Not only am I being dishonest with you in making such an outrageous, unsubstantiated claim, but I'm requiring dishonesty of you when I ask for you to use faith.

Well I'm not asking you to believe in God you were the one who asked for proof. I've given you a direction to go in, if you're interested then you'll proceed, if not you want and that will probably be the end of it. I'm not nor is God twisting your arm, so make your choice, it's you who will need to live with it.

The same is with god and believers of this god. Now tell me...how is believing in invisible unicorns at all rational if the proof is simply your own?

Well in the end the truth of all this will be proven.

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To you God is unknown, for me I know God well, I have no doubts of His existence or who He is. You see I'm so sure of what I know there is no other option for me and if there was I would not choose another option.

You know because you know because you know.

Amazing answer, after all I've written that's it, that's all you've understood about what I've stated, well I can see that you are not and probably will never be serious, so I guess were at an end to all this.

As far as Esqulax's eternal destination or your's or mine not being reversible can only come from scripture, where else is there.

And Captain Kirk said, "What does god need with a spaceship?" Your god shouldn't require anyone of anything, nor should he require anything himself if he truly is a god.

Why, because you say so, do you really think that God cares about your opinion on how he's going to handle His creation.

We hear of she-bears tearing up youth in times past for insulting the prophet, but this stuff doesn't happen now because we know enough to realize what is real and what isn't.

No prophets for the last 2000 yrs. has nothing to do with it I suppose.

Seriously, with as much blaspheming as I do here, I should have been struck by lightning ten times over. Or was that Zeus...heh, it's easy to get these Heavenly Father archtypes so mixed up since they borrow heavily from each other in the first place.

So now you're an expert on how God deals with people, never considered God loves you enough to be patient with you, now did you. Oh thanks, thanks for proving you do not know anything about scripture, see I did not have to investigate, you gave up the answer.

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The above (GodsChild) is another exercise in "teach the controversy" nonsense (well, unless you're okay with that as a universal principle?) and seeming to claim that one can simply go ahead and choose what they believe. How... cute.

Your baby sitter dropped you on your head didn't she, thought that was it. I guess because of that I'll overlook your nonsense.